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Out with the old, in with the new

Justin

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Justin Veteran

Justin

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I was super bummed (and still am super bummed) that my backyard palm garden's centerpiece, a 4' diameter Canary Island Date Palm, contracted fusarium this spring. I gave a lot of thought to what to replace it with, not wanting another tree to have any issues of its own (disease, potential freeze damage, etc.), so after much debate (and much examination of my checking account) I finally pulled the trigger and purchased a Chilean Wine Palm of roughly equal girth. The Jubaea is a little shorter, and the fronds are noticeably shorter, but this has the benefit of showing off more bamboo behind the tree, and also showing off more of my Rhopalostylis sapida, which I have to say is bitchin'. Here's a link to all the photos I took of the project, and also a couple of thumbnails to make you want to click over there.

Gallery of images for the project

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Resident of Puerto de la Cruz, Tenerife, San Diego, CA and Pahoa, HI.  Former garden in Vista, CA.  Garden Photos

John Case Grand Master

John Case

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Excellent choice, in my opinion...CIDPs (no insult to Kris) are overplanted in the state and the Jubaea is a great substitute!

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John Case

Brentwood CA

Owner and curator of Hana Keu Garden

USDA Zone 9b more or less, Sunset Zone 14 in winter 9 in summer

"Its always exciting the first time you save the world. Its a real thrill!"

trioderob Grand Master

trioderob

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good move !

the JUB is much, much nicer than any CIDP

basilios Community Regular

basilios

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Great jubaea, great rhopalostylis and a superb property!

Paleo Faliro, coastal Athens, Greece

Lat 37° 55' 33" N - Lon 23° 42' 34" E

Zone 9b/10a, cool winters, hot summers, coastal effect

DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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Justin!

Wow! Is all I can say . . .

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or lost profits or revenue, claims by third parties or for other similar costs, or any special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of my opinion or the use of this data. The accuracy or reliability of the data is not guaranteed or warranted in any way and I disclaim liability of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, liability for quality, performance, merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose arising out of the use, or inability to use my data. Other terms may apply.

Justin Veteran

Justin

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good move !

the JUB is much, much nicer than any CIDP

I wouldn't say any CIDP. The one I had before was enormous, with a huge trunk and really nice graceful fronds. Here's a picture from a year ago, when it was still in good health.

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Resident of Puerto de la Cruz, Tenerife, San Diego, CA and Pahoa, HI.  Former garden in Vista, CA.  Garden Photos

trioderob Grand Master

trioderob

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still like the JUB 100x more

you see CIDP everywhere

how many Jubs do you see ?

and with it taking 30 years at least for them to get large

there wont be many in southern Cali 30 years from now.

(on the other hand I do understand how much it sucks to have a large

spectacular palm die on you after years of care)

DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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Yeah, I can see that the CIDP was a perfect visual centerpiece for your garden, Justin.

But, that Jube will still rock.

Keep us apprized . . .

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or lost profits or revenue, claims by third parties or for other similar costs, or any special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of my opinion or the use of this data. The accuracy or reliability of the data is not guaranteed or warranted in any way and I disclaim liability of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, liability for quality, performance, merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose arising out of the use, or inability to use my data. Other terms may apply.

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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yeah buddy!!!! That looks killer. Great planting Justin.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

mcwolf Enthusiast

mcwolf

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Great garden with another gem. Keep it up!

Cape Town, Table View

1km from the Atlantic Ocean

Lat: -33.8541, Lon: 18.4888

Mild summers between 17-30 and wet winters 6-20 degree celcius

Average rainfall 500mm

Gtlevine Grand Master

Gtlevine

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I am so happy you went with the Jube, the ultimate palm and always the show piece in any garden. I agree your CIDP was nice, I have three large ones at my place and I love them, but they don't hold up in any respects when compared with Jubaea. And no one could every win an argument on which palm has the most awesome looking trunk in the palm kingdom, it's Jubaea all the way. The size you bought is the perfect size as well, not many of those are ever for sale. Did you get that one at Oasis?

Gary

Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

Justin Veteran

Justin

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Choice Nursery in Vista. Although Art at Oasis was super helpful, and has a great selection of Jubaeas and Jubaea hybrids.

Resident of Puerto de la Cruz, Tenerife, San Diego, CA and Pahoa, HI.  Former garden in Vista, CA.  Garden Photos

hanapalms Proficient

hanapalms

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I was super bummed (and still am super bummed) that my backyard palm garden's centerpiece, a 4' diameter Canary Island Date Palm, contracted fusarium this spring. I gave a lot of thought to what to replace it with, not wanting another tree to have any issues of its own (disease, potential freeze damage, etc.), so after much debate (and much examination of my checking account) I finally pulled the trigger and purchased a Chilean Wine Palm of roughly equal girth. The Jubaea is a little shorter, and the fronds are noticeably shorter, but this has the benefit of showing off more bamboo behind the tree, and also showing off more of my Rhopalostylis sapida, which I have to say is bitchin'. Here's a link to all the photos I took of the project, and also a couple of thumbnails to make you want to click over there.

Gallery of images for the project

IMG_8322t.jpg

IMG_8345t.jpg

IMG_8363t.jpg

IMG_8373t.jpg

Justin,

It's beautiful. Great choice.

William

Hana, Maui

 

Land of the low lying heavens, the misty Uakea crowning the majestic Kauwiki.

Visit my palms here

Al in Kona Grand Master

Al in Kona

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Agree, a nicely grown CIDP in the right location is beautiful. I'd certainly agree with Kris in that respect. However, you had no real choice but to remove it and what you picked to replace it with is at least equally as beautiful and much less common as well. A great choice IMO!

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Hawaii Island (Big Island), leeward coast, 19 degrees N. latitude, south Kona mauka at approx. 380m (1,250 ft.) and about 1.6 km (1-mile) upslope from ocean.

 

No record of a hurricane passing over this island (yet!).  

Summer maximum rainfall - variable averaging 900-1150mm (35-45") - Perfect drainage on black volcanic rocky soil.  

Nice sunsets!

iamjv Mentor

iamjv

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Wow that is a great jub! It should be around for many generations to enjoy! Jv

Jv in San Antonio Texas / Zone 8/extremes past 29 yrs: 117F (47.2C) / 8F (-13.3C)

mjff Mentor

mjff

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Looks great Justin, and at that size it won't take it long to get much larger. The fronds should get longer too now that it is in the ground. Glad I could help you with the project, and it looks like the guys did a great job on the removal and install.

Martin Farris, San Angelo, TX

San Angelo Cold Hardy Palms and Cycads

Jul - 92F/69F, Jan - 55F/31F

Lows:

02-03: 18F;

03-04: 19F;

04-05: 17F;

05-06: 11F;

06-07: 13F;

07-08: 14F 147.5 Freezing Degree-Hours http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?sh...ee+hours\;

08-09: 23F;

09-10: 12F 467.6 Freezing Degree Hours, Average Temperature During Freeze 24.2F;

10-11: 13F 1,059.5 Freezing Degree Hours with Strong Winds/Rain/Snow/Sleet, Average Temperature During Freeze 19.4F;

Record low -4F in 1989 (High of 36F that p.m.) 1,125.2 freezing degree hours, Average Temperature During Freeze 13.6F;

Record Freeze 1983: 2,300.3 Freezing Degree Hours with a low of 5F, Average Temperature During Freeze 13.7F.

Mats Rising Star

Mats

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It's a pity you lost that gorgeous Canary Island date, but your replacement Jubaea looks fantastic Justin. Congratulations.

Do you have any idea how your CIDP contracted the fusarium wilt? Did you do your own pruning, with your own tools, or was it done by maintenance guys?

Tassie_Troy1971 Grand Master

Tassie_Troy1971

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looks great Justin

Jube is a better visual candidate for that position .

Have to try to call in and have a look in mid Sept .

Old Beach ,Hobart
Tasmania ,Australia. 42 " south
Cool Maritime climate

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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It looks great, but I would have picked a different day so you could have been at Mardy's...:blink:

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Justin Veteran

Justin

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It's a pity you lost that gorgeous Canary Island date, but your replacement Jubaea looks fantastic Justin. Congratulations.

Do you have any idea how your CIDP contracted the fusarium wilt? Did you do your own pruning, with your own tools, or was it done by maintenance guys?

It was never pruned since it was transplanted in 2003. It had held the green fronds for the whole time, and was just starting to have the bottom set of fronds turn brown. So my best guess is that it was from birds and/or vermin that were attracted to the fruits.

Resident of Puerto de la Cruz, Tenerife, San Diego, CA and Pahoa, HI.  Former garden in Vista, CA.  Garden Photos

BeaumontTropics Proficient

BeaumontTropics

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justin,

bigtime bummer on the canary. Great choice with the jubaea. That thing is a beast! BS is right though, just couldn't have picked a worse day to do it. With the other canarys you have to compliment the garden, the juby in my opinion makes the whole panoramic view stand out a little more! You are killing it!

-eric

Living in the valley of the dirt people in the inland empire, "A mullet on every head and a methlab in every kitchen." If you can't afford to live in the tropics, then bring the tropics to you!

Justin Veteran

Justin

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Rhopalostylis sapida. As expected, the first new frond has burned a bit (from the increased sun), but fortunately nothing too bad. I don't think it will miss a beat, especially if our summer never warms up.

Resident of Puerto de la Cruz, Tenerife, San Diego, CA and Pahoa, HI.  Former garden in Vista, CA.  Garden Photos

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