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Archontophoenix myolensis

bubba

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bubba Grand Master

bubba

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For a number of years I have had a Palm that I believed to be an A. cunningham. In looking at photos of other A. cunningham's,however,mine seems to be a much smaller Palm. I purchased it 8 or 9 years ago at a Fairchild sale and the thing that sticks out in it's growth is the thickness of it's trunk. Could this be an Archophoenix myolensis?

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Any thoughts?

What you look for is what is looking

Xenon Grand Master

Xenon

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No idea, but love the pool/garden! :D

-Jonathan

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Moose Grand Master

Moose

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Bubba - in my opinion due to the age of your palm I would say it is not a A. myolensis. If it were it would be much larger after 9 years in the ground. They are rockets compared to the other species of Archontophoenix in my own personal experience!

Some others may verify this. huh.gif

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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Bubbalooaaahhhh,

It's definitely not A. cunninghamiana. It's in the A. alexandrae complex (alexandrae, myolensis, tuckeri) that's for sure. Not sure which one though.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

newtothis Rising Star

newtothis

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wow if it's a myo I hope my little babies look that good!

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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Is it white under the leaflets? If not it's cunninghamiana. If it is, it gets much harder to key it out. It's not purpurea from the photo. So that leaves the other 4. Remember alexandrae varies a bit in appearance throughout it's range in habitat and between individuals. When it fruits, that may give you more clues as well.

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

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CoconutFreak

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if it was faichild, then it either purpurea, myolensis, tuckeri or maxima. There the ones in fairchiled collection.

CoconutFreak.

Northern Sydney, Central Coast Region. Zone 10a.

Temperature Extremes: -4 to +43

Warm Oceanic Temperate/Humid Subtropical Climate.

33 Degrees South.

Loving Palms!!!

bubba Grand Master

bubba

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I have to thank everyone for their valuable imput.It is around 9:00 PM here and I stumbled out to the subject Palm.I took a small leaf and while it is not exactly white, it is definitely extremely light compared to the top-side.Accordingly,I am guessing that is is some form of A. myolensis (because of the constantly fattening trunk). That stated, the more I learn about Palms, the more it becomes apparent that many,many Hybrids exist. My guess is it is part of the A. alexandra complex but maybe something basically out there on it's own! Thanks again.

What you look for is what is looking

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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What are the leaflets like? Do they droop at the tips? That is a myolensis trait.

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

Walter John Grand Master

Walter John

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Myolensis and Tuckerii are rare as hens teeth to acquire over here.

just thought I'd mention this fact

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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Bubba:

I'm assuming you're referring to the palm dead-center in the pic of your totally Hollywood style pool, needs a hot chick to grace it, dang, swerving off-topic, once again . . .

AHEM

If'n I'm correct that's not a Cunninghamiana, for sure. Could be myo, I've got some, and they're slower the others, beautiful, of course, with a fatter trunk.

Might could maybe be a myo.

How about that for a consensus? :)

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peachy Grand Master

peachy

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To me it looks just like A. alexandrae, many of them get an almost bottle shaped trunk, (Mt Lewis form ???) and are quite common around the Gold Coast. I have A. myolensis but its just a tiny thing so I wont be able to compare for a decade. Whatever it is, it's healthy and strong, so enjoy it for what it is.

Peachy

I came. I saw. I purchased

 

 

27.35 south.

Warm subtropical, with occasional frosts.

DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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To me it looks just like A. alexandrae, many of them get an almost bottle shaped trunk, (Mt Lewis form ???) and are quite common around the Gold Coast. I have A. myolensis but its just a tiny thing so I wont be able to compare for a decade. Whatever it is, it's healthy and strong, so enjoy it for what it is.

Peachy

The one in the middle? Alexes (I thought) had darker crownshafts . . . . The one in the middle's wayy too pale to be an Alex, IMHO, not to start a fight . . ..

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Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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Looks like an alex to me. They often are pale and bluish.

We need to see the leaves. The crownshaft doesn't tell much except that it's not purpurea, and it doesn't have the look of cunninghamiana.

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

peachy Grand Master

peachy

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Alex's crownshafts go paler when they are preparing to drop a leaf.

Peachy

I came. I saw. I purchased

 

 

27.35 south.

Warm subtropical, with occasional frosts.

bubba Grand Master

bubba

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With your imput and reading a little on the side, I believe this is an A. alexandrae.It is the combination of the Fat trunk, white or lighter leaf underside,droopy leaflet tips and pale crownshaft that force me to this conclusion.

My only other question is that I thought "King Palms" only grew in California? Out in left field?

What you look for is what is looking

DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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With your imput and reading a little on the side, I believe this is an A. alexandrae.It is the combination of the Fat trunk, white or lighter leaf underside,droopy leaflet tips and pale crownshaft that force me to this conclusion.

My only other question is that I thought "King Palms" only grew in California? Out in left field?

Hmm.

What about the base of the trunk? If it's "stepped" looking it's an A. alex var. beatriciae, very very nice.

And, Kings grow fine in Florida, far as I know, thought there's so many other way-cooler palms that most people don't bother with them. We don't have those way-cooler palms here, like Veitchia arecina, etc. :(

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tikitiki Mentor

tikitiki

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Archontophoenix cunninghamiana has ramenta. Ramenta is a dead give away. Everyone seams to forget this. If there is ramenta and it is not purple it is cunninghamiana. If no ramenta something else.

Tom

With a tin cup for a chalice

Fill it up with good red wine,

And I'm-a chewin' on a honeysuckle vine.

tikitiki Mentor

tikitiki

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Myolensis is obviously blue/green when a frond falls.

With a tin cup for a chalice

Fill it up with good red wine,

And I'm-a chewin' on a honeysuckle vine.

tikitiki Mentor

tikitiki

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Maxima has short petioles and is mid green crownshaft. It also has a small twist to the leaves but the leaflets are held erect.

Myolensis has lax leaflets and lime green to blue crownshaft.

On tukeri the fronds stay more upright with a twist like maxima but has lax leaflets about half way down the way.

cunninghamiana ramenta, ramenta, ramenta ( no purple,no purple,no purple,no purple,)

alexandrae The leaves twist a lot. To the point you can see the whole top of the frond from the side with the leaflet staying erect.

Hope this helps. The crown shaft alone is not enough unless you have all in your garden ( I do)

When I find my cable to connect my camera I will share pics.

With a tin cup for a chalice

Fill it up with good red wine,

And I'm-a chewin' on a honeysuckle vine.

tikitiki Mentor

tikitiki

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Maxima is the rocket. 9 years from what? More water should get it going. It does look a bit small from the pic to be 9 years unless it was from a seed :mrlooney:

Bubba - in my opinion due to the age of your palm I would say it is not a A. myolensis. If it were it would be much larger after 9 years in the ground. They are rockets compared to the other species of Archontophoenix in my own personal experience!

Some others may verify this. huh.gif

With a tin cup for a chalice

Fill it up with good red wine,

And I'm-a chewin' on a honeysuckle vine.

tikitiki Mentor

tikitiki

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Growth of my maxima

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With a tin cup for a chalice

Fill it up with good red wine,

And I'm-a chewin' on a honeysuckle vine.

bubba Grand Master

bubba

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Tom, Thanks for the imput.It can't be the rocketship maxima or myolensis. It bears no resemblance to tuckeri.It can't be cunninghamiana because no ramenta, ramenta,ramenta(I kind of like that/gregorian chant). So I am left with A. alexandrae.Now, I have to figure out it's slow growth pattern!

What you look for is what is looking

tikitiki Mentor

tikitiki

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Bubba,

Get a shot of the fronds. The twist of the alexandrae is extreme compared to the rest. In Florida they love alot of water. Mine flood with the slighest rain and stay flooded for days. So this might be your reason of slow growth.

With a tin cup for a chalice

Fill it up with good red wine,

And I'm-a chewin' on a honeysuckle vine.

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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Maxima is the rocket. 9 years from what? More water should get it going. It does look a bit small from the pic to be 9 years unless it was from a seed :mrlooney:

Bubba - in my opinion due to the age of your palm I would say it is not a A. myolensis. If it were it would be much larger after 9 years in the ground. They are rockets compared to the other species of Archontophoenix in my own personal experience!

Some others may verify this. huh.gif

A maxima are the rockets of the palm world, at least in my area (you reading this Miccles). I bought a one leaf seedling in 2003 and gave it the luxury treatment, ie lots of water and fert, when it popped a root out the bottom, it went up a pot size. In one year I repotted it 4 times. Anyway 3 years later it was 8ft tall in a pot and about 4 inches wide at the base. I gave it to my sister who planted it, and she is 2m from a fairly acid peaty water table. It's now 30ft tall, 60cm (2ft) wide at the base, and is way bigger than the Roystonea planted near it. It has totally amazed me at the rate of growth. I wish I had a picture of it, but I took Miccles to see it when he was over here, and he couldn't believe it. 7 years from seed to 30ft tall. However if you leave them potbound, a little on the dry side with little fertiliser, they will just have average growth.

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

nomolos Mentor

nomolos

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Could it possibly be the hybrid 'albang' of alexander and cunninghamia?

Sol Cooper

Hobart Tasmania

42 degrees South

Mild climate - mostly frost free

LJG Grand Master

LJG

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Maxima has short petioles and is mid green crownshaft. It also has a small twist to the leaves but the leaflets are held erect.

Myolensis has lax leaflets and lime green to blue crownshaft.

On tukeri the fronds stay more upright with a twist like maxima but has lax leaflets about half way down the way.

cunninghamiana ramenta, ramenta, ramenta ( no purple,no purple,no purple,no purple,)

alexandrae The leaves twist a lot. To the point you can see the whole top of the frond from the side with the leaflet staying erect.

Hope this helps. The crown shaft alone is not enough unless you have all in your garden ( I do)

When I find my cable to connect my camera I will share pics.

I have also found Maxima to have less silver scaling then the others with. When you see it often, you will see what I mean. This leaves Tukeri, Myolensis and Alexandrae to figure out. No clue there unless you see one right after the the old leafbase falls off. Then Myolensis shows that green/blue crownshaft off..

The comment about "alexandrae The leaves twist a lot" is different here. Cunninghamiana twist and basically holds the leaf at perpendicular to the ground. Alexandrae is flat.

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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I've found maxima to have very white undersides.

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

peachy Grand Master

peachy

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My A. maxima definately needs a good bumkicking it seems as its been in a small pot for a couple of years now and barely moved. As to the twisted leaves, in my observations, all the archies twist a bit in really hot sun postitions and stay horizontal (flat) in a bit of shade. Of course I could be wrong.....but from what I see around here (and they are very very common) that seems to be the rule.

Peachy

I came. I saw. I purchased

 

 

27.35 south.

Warm subtropical, with occasional frosts.

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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Pot your maxima up Peachy, give it some good slow release fert and put him in a tray of water, and watch it explode. :D

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

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