Hello again, long time no post.

Yesterday I was at Palmland in Sydney, hoping to get some tropical palms.

Usually they get the more tropical stuff in January, so down I go.

I was tempted by a Burretokentia hapala(sp?) but the price put me off. $50 for an 8" pot. No thanks.

I got an Areca vestiaria red leaf, a normal Areca vestiaria, a tube of Pinanga coronata, Chambeyronia macrocarpa, and a new palm I'd never heard of before, Dypsis scottiana.

The only real information that I have been able to find out about them is it likes a shady, protected position, and it grows in the same area as golden cane palms in Madagascar.

Has anyone here grown one before, and should it survive just north of Sydney.

Thanks.

I think this is a great unique looking Dypsis. Here is a link to some good shots of this palm in habitat. As you will see, these grow in full sun, in a very open exposure and still look good. That bodes well for looking even better in cultivation. I have seen some palms mis-labeled as D. scottiana, so hopefully these pics can help assure your ID. These are Hi-Res photos, so continue clicking on the image to zoom in closely.

Dypsis scottiana

They are tough little thing... I planted mine in full sun and they were doing well, until the dogs decided to roll on them. Yes, they rolled on them and broke the palms in half. Both of them. Way too skinny for my dogs...lol.

Regards, Ari

Thanks for the replies.

I think it is the proper one. It is only small. It has one main stem but is starting to sucker at the base. The tallest stem has a blackness to it. It sort of looks like a black dusting over the stem. So going by those pictures it should be the right one.

I don't really get frosts here, we can get some really cold days but I have been able to set up some micro-climates for some other tropical plants like a heliconia, so hopefully this will survive. On the other hand I worry some days about the heat. Just the other day it was about 45 degrees celsius.

Some of my plants got burnt, but nothing life threatening.

I'll have to wait and see how it goes.

Hi Scott,

Dypsis scottiana is a very easy species to grow with lovely black bamboo like stems, it should grow well in sydney.... it tolerates the cold very well and has quite thick fine leaves, these will grow to just over 3 to 4m tall and take full sun or shade, it would also make a great potted palm for indoor use. These come from the bottom part of Madagascar (south eastern corner) and are growing in sandy loam soils but they seem to tolerate most soil types and handle quite dry conditions very well.

Ps Dean i will add these photos to that page on your site very soon

Thanks Clayton,

Any idea why the ones in habitat don't have the black stems as yours do?

Thanks Clayton,

Any idea why the ones in habitat don't have the black stems as yours do?

Great question Dean. Perhaps we are looking at two different palms..

Hi Dean,

I think it’s possible that because these are growing in the full sun and out in the open in the harsh conditions that they might lose that dark tomentum much quicker..? These ones in my photos have been grown under shad cloth, on some of the larger ones that are now 3m tall the liken has covered those dark stems and a few of the older stems are also green at the base as well, but I only listed the photos of the nice black ones..!

If you look at the second photo you can see that the older stem is now green as well.

Ps Steve not the two different palm thing again.. Here are some photos of the inflorescence the first one is from my plants and the second one is one of Philips from habitat.

Clayton,

I have this same plant he is SoCal. While the cold is not an issue the soil was. I figured DG would be fine like all my other Dypsis. I was wrong. It really does need loose soil. I dug it up and it is recovering in the greenhouse now.

Hi Scott no thanks

You may not aware that Burriokentia hapala takes 4- 5 years to get to 200mm pot. in Sydney region up to 7 years

To be able to get them in Sydney this size they have to be freighted down from Queensland,

Bangalows take half that time to grow and many are grown locally. Seed is free for them, B.hapakla seed had to be bought by the growers.

As a person who has bought lots of seed and paid hundreds of dollars of freight costs for as little 10 palms, i congratulate the nursery for having a go at providing more variety of species in NSW.

We all need to support those nurseries who do not just provide the common boring 5 species of palms.

That is a good fair price for a really nice palm.

Your alternative is to fly or drive to queensland to get you different species, then freight them home. Cost you a lot more than $50.

hope this help you reconsider

regards

Colin

I didnt mean to come off as some stingey person, but the fact was as someone who is on a limited budget, paying another $50 for a palm, when I just paid $40 for a 7" Dypsis was too much to bear.

I travel two hours to get to Palmland several times a year, just to see what new interesting plants they have. Four hours trarvelling for one nursery. So I do appreciate them.

However, as a novice palm grower, I think they need to better inform the customer of the attributes of their plants. While I noticed the B. hapala and it did look nice, at the time there was nothing I could see to justify the price.

I had seen this palm the last time I was at this nursery in 6" pots and they were selling them for the same price as chambeyronias and other 6"'s.

So 6" =$15 to 8" =$50 just didn't seem right at the time.

I would imagine, there are lots of people who go to this nursery and others like it, find a nice new plant, and then glance down to the price and are horrified by what they see. Promptly putting the plant down and continuing on their way.

All there is is some nondescript label which doesnt really help the customer understand why the plant costs so much.

Anyway, the funny thing is, once I had gotten home and thought about it, I had regretted not buying the B. hapala.

I'd pay $50 for a B hapala. I've spent much more than that on seed, and all I have is 4 seedlings at the moment from this batch. I killed all my first batch by over heating. To be able to buy a 200mm B hapala for $50 would be great.

Scott, don't feel bad that you thought that was too much money at first. Unless you've been importing and germinating rare stuff for a while, you wouldn't grasp how hard it is to actually obtain the rarer stuff, and to keep them alive in there young stages. Some are really touchy when small, but once they get bigger are much easier. To pay $50 for a B hapala would fast track you many years, and get you past the touchy difficult stage with no problems. That way you'd have a seeding specimen many years earlier and be able to grow your own from fresh seed.

Best regards

Tyrone

I didnt mean to come off as some stingey person, but the fact was as someone who is on a limited budget, paying another $50 for a palm, when I just paid $40 for a 7" Dypsis was too much to bear.

I travel two hours to get to Palmland several times a year, just to see what new interesting plants they have. Four hours trarvelling for one nursery. So I do appreciate them.

However, as a novice palm grower, I think they need to better inform the customer of the attributes of their plants. While I noticed the B. hapala and it did look nice, at the time there was nothing I could see to justify the price.

I had seen this palm the last time I was at this nursery in 6" pots and they were selling them for the same price as chambeyronias and other 6"'s.

So 6" =$15 to 8" =$50 just didn't seem right at the time.

I would imagine, there are lots of people who go to this nursery and others like it, find a nice new plant, and then glance down to the price and are horrified by what they see. Promptly putting the plant down and continuing on their way.

All there is is some nondescript label which doesnt really help the customer understand why the plant costs so much.

Anyway, the funny thing is, once I had gotten home and thought about it, I had regretted not buying the B. hapala.

As a side note, I think pricing like that works for some of the harder get palms/plants. If they were cheap, anyone who walked in might buy one, and if they are fickle or rare for a reason, that person that bought it because it looked different and was cheap would probably have less chance of keeping it alive.

In theory, once one has the "bug" or "newfound knowledge" they would be more educated as to why it would cost more and thus be better prepared for its upbringing.

Dean, you weren't kidding when you said high resolution! What a beautiful palm and growth habit. Are you growing any in your BI garden?

Tim

I grow a few seedlings and they seem easy. You say it takes full sun or shade, but what is better? How about wind resistance and pot colture all life long?

Carlo

Yeah, those hi res shots are great. It feels like IMAX! Check out the ferns frying in the sun and the palms look great!

Dean, you weren't kidding when you said high resolution! What a beautiful palm and growth habit. Are you growing any in your BI garden?

Tim

Thanks Tim,

I like to be able to get up close and personal with my palms.

I have a couple of small ones that haven't been getting the best of care. I will have to pay better attention to them because I like the way these look. If I lived a little closer to Clayton, I'd drive over and pick up a few big ones. I don't know anyone here that has any of size.

This palm really struggled in Melbourne, being badly damaged for a few winters until it finally gave in. It is much less cold hardy than D. lutescens and many of the larger Dypsis. It may be a completely different story in Sydney however, those extra few degrees of warmth will come in handy.

The upright growth habit together with the black tomentose leaf basis and sun tolerance all make for a palm that I'm gonna have to look for to put in the garden. Who is growing it on the Big Island for sale?

Bump! Anyone else growing D. scottiana? I've never seen it at any nursery here.

Bump! Anyone else growing D. scottiana?

Yes.

Remember the neighbour threw the branch over and damaged my palms ? One of the damaged palms was Dypsis scottiana, it broke the pappa plant in half but the sucker lived and has lived on...photo soon.

Well, well

Thanks Matt for bringing up this thread again....

I have three of these little beauties and the first thing I thought was that they needed shade. I have one left to plant and its going in the sun in 3 weeks time.

Cheers

Dennis

My D. scottiana has only been around a couple of months but it is handling the cold nights here without a problem. It wasnt very expensive either.

Peachy

My D. scottiana has only been around a couple of months but it is handling the cold nights here without a problem. It wasnt very expensive either.

Peachy

I just put mine in the ground last month, wish me luck, mostly shade right now. It still looks great. I hope it is the real deal.

Here's my Dypsis scottiana recovered nicely. You can see where the original stem was, busted, but thanks to the suckers, the plant lives on.

Here's the whole palm for you. The darkness on the stem remains even though this guys gets a fair amount of full sun. That's a 4 foot chainy there by the way.

Here's the whole palm for you. The darkness on the stem remains even though this guys gets a fair amount of full sun. That's a 4 foot chainy there by the way.

I don't see how your neighbor could not see this palm when he caused the damage with the branch.

Was it done intentionally?

HI Ron, back when the event occurred I had this gnarly tree covering these palms, still no excuses though, he would have seen the plants. I lost completely a rare Dypsis macdonaldiana at the time, (mini version of scottiana) simply devastating. I got over it and you should have read the support from the palm board folk at the time. The thread was so intense with revenge advice it had to be removed.

HI Ron, back when the event occurred I had this gnarly tree covering these palms, still no excuses though, he would have seen the plants. I lost completely a rare Dypsis macdonaldiana at the time, (mini version of scottiana) simply devastating. I got over it and you should have read the support from the palm board folk at the time. The thread was so intense with revenge advice it had to be removed.

Wal - I apologize for bringng up an old painful episode. I don't want to rile up our palmaholic and palmophile bretheren again.

Kindest regards,

Ron.

Bump. Ran across a new (?) planting of this at Sherman Gardens and now must have one! Who is growing this?

9 minutes ago, Matt in OC said:

Bump. Ran across a new (?) planting of this at Sherman Gardens and now must have one! Who is growing this?

Doesn't look anything  like the scottiana that I grow!  Awesomre plant though whatever it is!

On 6/18/2017, 8:50:57, Matt in OC said:

Bump. Ran across a new (?) planting of this at Sherman Gardens and now must have one! Who is growing this?

Interesting... I missed this at the Palm Society meeting held at Sherman Gardens in January.  It does look different in leaf form from the ones which were flowering and on sale at the meeting.  I just picked up one from Josh in Vista, and you can see the leaflets are broader, although the stem is similar in girth to the ones you posted from Sherman Gardens in Corona Del Mar.  I was researching to see where others have planted them.  Josh doesn't have any in the ground but when we discussed this palm, he was inclined to give it a good deal of shade.  That is where I'm starting with mine, particularly because it just came out of the greenhouse, so it will be acclimating to outdoor conditions for a little while as we head into spring (I hope)!  Anyone else able to share in ground cultivation tips, particularly if you are from a Mediterranean climate like So. Cal.?  Len aka LVG, I saw you had one back in 2009 in Vista.... 

2 minutes ago, Tracy said:

Len aka LVG, I saw you had one back in 2009 in Vista.... 

 

On 1/18/2009, 10:11:43, LJG said:

I have this same plant he is SoCal. While the cold is not an issue the soil was. I figured DG would be fine like all my other Dypsis. I was wrong. It really does need loose soil. I dug it up and it is recovering in the greenhouse now.

Yes Len... I meant LJG, not LVG.  Matty B are you growing this?  Dean, any in your old Leucadia garden or only in the islands?

2 hours ago, Tracy said:

 

Yes Len... I meant LJG, not LVG.  Matty B are you growing this?  Dean, any in your old Leucadia garden or only in the islands?

Tracy, the one at Sherman gardens are not true to form. Just old rancho plants that we miss labeled. More albofarinosa type

3 hours ago, Tracy said:

 

Yes Len... I meant LJG, not LVG.  Matty B are you growing this?  Dean, any in your old Leucadia garden or only in the islands?

Mine died long ago. I also lost one in greenhouse. Stopped trying after that. 

On ‎1‎/‎19‎/‎2009‎ ‎9‎:‎05‎:‎58‎, Scott D. said:

I didnt mean to come off as some stingey person, but the fact was as someone who is on a limited budget, paying another $50 for a palm, when I just paid $40 for a 7" Dypsis was too much to bear.

 

I travel two hours to get to Palmland several times a year, just to see what new interesting plants they have. Four hours trarvelling for one nursery. So I do appreciate them.

 

However, as a novice palm grower, I think they need to better inform the customer of the attributes of their plants. While I noticed the B. hapala and it did look nice, at the time there was nothing I could see to justify the price.

I had seen this palm the last time I was at this nursery in 6" pots and they were selling them for the same price as chambeyronias and other 6"'s.

So 6" =$15 to 8" =$50 just didn't seem right at the time.

 

I would imagine, there are lots of people who go to this nursery and others like it, find a nice new plant, and then glance down to the price and are horrified by what they see. Promptly putting the plant down and continuing on their way.

 

All there is is some nondescript label which doesnt really help the customer understand why the plant costs so much.

 

Anyway, the funny thing is, once I had gotten home and thought about it, I had regretted not buying the B. hapala.

I am with you brother, I am a self confessed Penny Pinching Palm Pirate myself. I have one growing in So-Cal which I procured from Floribunda. I will post a pic. tomorrow.

6 hours ago, LJG said:

Mine died long ago. I also lost one in greenhouse.

Was the Dypsis scottiana that you lost in the greenhouse the one that you identified was rescued from your garden, early in this string way back in 2009?  Just curious, because it sounds like that one was stressed even before you tried it in your garden.