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Avery Island Jungle Gardens, Home of Tabasco

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Another ID needed.  This little beauty.

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Which had completely covered the grown with flowers.

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Close up of flower in hand.

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And flowers in leaf cluster.  Please, please ID this one.  I must have.

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Throughout the gardens, we always felt there were eyes watching.  And there were.

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Nice pictures thanks for sharing

The Mystery picture looks to be a Livistona species.

Mike

Port Macquarie NSW Australia

Warm temperate to subtropical

Record low of -2C at airport 2006

Pushing the limit of palm survivabilities

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This little palm had taken up residence completely within the center of the oak.

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Cool looking growth on the trunk of a Cypress.

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Palm amongst the knees.

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Well, that's it.  Hope you enjoyed.  I'll leave with a set of old Sabals in habitat.  

BTW - That tall one is about 40 feet.

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This one is a beauty, my wife that is, and the Sabal ain't bad either.

That Sabe is OKAY!

The wife is Okayer . . . .

:laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

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(keiththibodeaux @ Mar. 30 2008,22:14)

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Cool looking growth on the trunk of a Cypress.

Looks like the same "South-Beach-Looking" lichen I saw in Florida . . .

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

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Well, that's it.  Hope you enjoyed.  I'll leave with a set of old Sabals in habitat.  

BTW - That tall one is about 40 feet.

very beautiful fotos and very good foto of the sabals growing natural.

do you have any fotos of the chiles for tabasco or the area of manufacture ? in my country every body has tabasco !  :D

TEMP. JAN. 21/10 C (69/50 F), AUG. 29/20 C (84/68 F). COASTAL DESERT, MOST DAYS MILD OR WARM, SUNNY AND DRY. YEARLY PRECIPITATION: 210 MM (8.2 INCHES). ZONE 11 NO FREEZES CLOSE TO THE OCEAN.

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Keith great photos, most of those unknown or "non sabals" are livostonia chinesis - chinese fans palms. tall single one looks great.

those sabal minor must be very old, as they got a couple feet of rugged trunk on them.  any chance to get some seeds of thouse louisana minors?  looks like they kinda had a blueish tinge to them.

Luke

Tallahassee, FL - USDA zone 8b/9a

63" rain annually

January avg 65/40 - July avg 92/73

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Keith great photos, most of those unknown or "non sabals" are livostonia chinesis - chinese fans palms. tall single one looks great.

those sabal minor must be very old, as they got a couple feet of rugged trunk on them.  any chance to get some seeds of thouse louisana minors?  looks like they kinda had a blueish tinge to them.

I thought it might be chinensis, but I have never seen one with a trunk that pretty before.  It would appear they achieve much more beauty in filtered sun down here, than they do in full sun.

Things are still showing the stress put on them in late 2005 by Hurricane Rita, but the gardens were beautiful non-the-less.

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The tree in posts 41-44 looks like Aleurites fordii, the "Tung oil tree" (Euphorbiaceae, of China).  It is deciduous and should grow well where you are.

Jason

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Min. temp Jan 2007:  28.1 deg. F (-2.2 deg. C)

Min. temp winter 2008: 34.7 deg. F (1.5 deg. C)

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Fantastic picture's, thanks for sharing!

Robbin

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those sabal minor must be very old, as they got a couple feet of rugged trunk on them.  any chance to get some seeds of thouse louisana minors?  looks like they kinda had a blueish tinge to them.

Some of the plantings there go back 100 years or so.  

I would think seeds would be no problelm there.  I do plan to check for them as the time comes.

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Been there done that!

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Yes the good old gift shop

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Keith, Thank you for the outstanding tour.You get a real feel for the Louisiana By-yo.The Mystery guy does look like a Livinstonia chinesis but it must be ancient because I have never seen one that tall with a rather incredible trunk.(that ringing look is something I have never seen)Also,I have never seen Sabals marrying into those beautiful Louisiana Oaks.All we get down here are Ficus swallowing Sabals.

The color from the flowers and the contrast of that swamp is deep.I am suprised that some "Exotics" are not attempted because I got to believe they would work.(ie.Triangle,Queen,Bizzie,Bucaneer....)

What you look for is what is looking

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Beautiful landscapes and palms, Keith!  Thanks for the taste of Lousiana countryside.  The wild sabals are magnificent in their surroundings!

Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

Tom Blank

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do you have any fotos of the chiles for tabasco or the area of manufacture ? in my country every body has tabasco !  :D

I did not turn off towards the factory as there was much construction going on.    It would be early for the chiles here anyway.  Now is planting time.  I plan to return to get some pictures of that later in the year and then add to this thread.

It takes me less than 10 minutes to get to Avery Island so my wife challenged me to do a pictoral documentary of 12 months at Avery Island.  I just might take her up on it.  These pictures were taken in the middle of a clear day with straight up sun, so the harsh contrast and sun angles came nowhere close to doing the gardens justice.

12 Months in Avery Island's Jungle Garden might be cool I think.  Anyone think I should do it?

Maybe if I get to know them, I can get them to embrace a little palm diversity too.

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The mystery palm is Livistona Tobascoensis :) In all honesty that doesn't look like a run of the mill chinensis. Most of the Chinensis I have seen tend to have a more robust trunk and more compact leaf arrangement (even in full shade) than the one pictured. That one tends to look more like a Livistona merrilli although it's probably not that. If you look at post number 34 that is most likely a chinensis grown in shade. The mystery one in 35 does resemble a chinensis because of the drooping leaflets but everything else does not match up perfectly.

With that being said. Great post Keith. I especially enjoyed the sabals growing in odd places and the croc/alligator! Crickey!

Michael Ferreira

Bermuda-Humid(77% ave), Subtropical Zone 11, no frost

Warm Season: (May-November): Max/Min 81F/73F

Cool Season: (Dec-Apr): Max/Min 70F/62F

Record High: 94F

Record Low: 43F

Rain: 55 inches per year with no dry/wet season

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I am going back through to see if I missed any interesting pictures.  

Since most folks think of Yucca as a dry climate plant, I thought I would include this one.

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Another flowering Yucca right on the bank.

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A Sabal on banks edge.   I especially love the White Azalea combo.

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How the Buddha came to rest at Avery Island.

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A closer peak at the Buddha

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Menage a trois

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I just never get tired of this look.

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The rookery.  The story.  Note the old Sabals

"Saving the Egrets

E.A. McIlhenny, or "Mr. Ned" as he was affectionately known, founded a bird colony in the 1890s — later called Bird City — after plume hunters slaughtered egrets by the thousands for feathers to make fashionable ladies' hats. Mr. Ned gathered up eight young egrets, raised them in captivity on the Island, and released them in the fall to migrate across the Gulf of Mexico. The following spring the birds returned to the Island with others of their species - a migration that continues to this day, as thousands of snowy white egrets and other water birds return to Bird City each spring. This vast, protected rookery owes its existence to Mr. Ned."

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Really great pictures Keith. I credit all the different Sabal and Serenoa species as giving Florida, and a lot of the deep south U.S., the overall tropical look and feel. There is a palm every where the eye might look in the south since there all palms native here and they actually will grow in every crack and crevice unaided by the the hand of man. Truly native palms. Also, the long hot, humid spring, summer and fall combined with the mostly warm winters lends to the tropical vibe as well in the deep south. I love Sabals, they are what got me into palms in the first place!

Parrish, FL

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Keith,  Nice shots and tour of Avery Gardens.  Thanks for sharing.  Jv

Jv in San Antonio Texas / Zone 8/extremes past 29 yrs: 117F (47.2C) / 8F (-13.3C)

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The mystery palm is Livistona Tobascoensis :) In all honesty that doesn't look like a run of the mill chinensis. Most of the Chinensis I have seen tend to have a more robust trunk and more compact leaf arrangement (even in full shade) than the one pictured. That one tends to look more like a Livistona merrilli although it's probably not that. If you look at post number 34 that is most likely a chinensis grown in shade. The mystery one in 35 does resemble a chinensis because of the drooping leaflets but everything else does not match up perfectly.

With that being said. Great post Keith. I especially enjoyed the sabals growing in odd places and the croc/alligator! Crickey!

Also, if that palm is more than 20 years old, it would mean it survived the close to single digit freeze of 89.  Good looking and cold hardy.

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Your mistery palm is a Livistona chinensis.-Its naturalized up there?

It seems Louisiana state in the USA has a really nice climate for grow tropicals palms but not many things are hear to happen there, most palms news and members seems to come from California, Florida or Arizona.-

I like the Tillandsias falling from the large tree branches, it remember me the movie Forest Gump!

_Keith Grand Master

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Your mistery palm is a Livistona chinensis.-Its naturalized up there?

It seems Louisiana state in the USA has a really nice climate for grow tropicals palms but not many things are hear to happen there, most palms news and members seems to come from California, Florida or Arizona.-

I like the Tillandsias falling from the large tree branches, it remember me the movie Forest Gump!

Louisiana is classified as "humid sub-tropical".   Actually many of the plants that do best here are from Southern Japan where the L. chinensis originates.  

Interestingly, parts of Argentina also seems to have a similar climate as well.

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