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Dypsis leptocheilos

Jeff Searle

By Jeff Searle
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Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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The other day I was walking past my Teddy bear palms and noticed this one that was flushing a new red leaf. Now I'm sure this has happened before maybe to someone else, but in all my years of growing and thousands of palms, this is absolutely the first one that I have ever seen do this for me. I did one of those double looks and started thinking if I had ever seen this before. This one I will plant out in my yard this spring and follow it's progress over time.

    Has anyone else seen this before or even have their own palm that throws a new red leaf? I'd like to know.

Jeff

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Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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Looking down into the crown.

Ryan, you were out that day, do you have any better pictures to add?

Jeff

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Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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The last picture just showing some red in the new spear.

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Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

Walter John Grand Master

Walter John

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Cool Jeff, never seen that before.

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

JD in the OC Grand Master

JD in the OC

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Its probably a hybrid.

Jeff Marcus told me a while back about a grower in Asia who was hybridizing D. madagascariensis with D. leptocheilis and the resulting hybrid threw red new leaves he said.

Nice find Jeff!  Plant him out!

brodklop Experienced

brodklop

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just a theory.. but over the years I have noticed that at winter time some palms which normaly dont throw red new leaves can do so on accasions. I have seen this in Archontophoenix. It seems to be the timing of throwing the leaf and change in temperature.

Just a thought

Brod

Palms are the king of trees

Brod

Brisbane, Australia

28 latitude, sub tropical

summer average 21c min - 29c max

winter average 10c min - 21c max

extremes at my place 5c - 42c

1100 average rainfall

LJG Grand Master

LJG

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Nice one Jeff. Nothing surprises me anymore with Madagascar palms.

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

Palm Guy Mentor

Palm Guy

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I did one of those double looks and started thinking if I had ever seen this before.

Jeff,

I had to do a double take just looking at your post. Thats awesome. See if you can hold on to that one till it seeds and let us know if the seedlings do the same thing. You might have something special there.

Cheers,

Mike F

Michael Ferreira

Bermuda-Humid(77% ave), Subtropical Zone 11, no frost

Warm Season: (May-November): Max/Min 81F/73F

Cool Season: (Dec-Apr): Max/Min 70F/62F

Record High: 94F

Record Low: 43F

Rain: 55 inches per year with no dry/wet season

Palmarum Grand Master

Palmarum

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Jeff Searle · Posted on Feb. 05 2008,12:24

Ryan, you were out that day, do you have any better pictures to add?

Jeff

- Here they be. I, too was surprised to see it. To see one lone plant out of hundreds do it, came to me as a welcome sign that said, "Guess where I came from". The wonders that surround Dypsis species will go on for decades. It is nothing that will be solved in a short while. A hybrid could be a possibility as always, but might take a few years to try and figure that out.

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- Dypsis leptocheilos var. "Red Emergent" ?

- Dypsis leptocheilos var. "Red Push" ? ...  :D

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- Red Teddy Bear Palm ...

- Fiery Teddy Bear Palm ...

- Teddy Bear on Fire ... ?

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Ryan

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South Florida

Walter John Grand Master

Walter John

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(brodklop @ Feb. 06 2008,07:09)

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just a theory.. but over the years I have noticed that at winter time some palms which normaly dont throw red new leaves can do so on accasions. I have seen this in Archontophoenix. It seems to be the timing of throwing the leaf and change in temperature.

Just a thought

Brod

Could be something in that Brod. Apparently the cooling temps allow black bamboo to go black.

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

Palm Guy Mentor

Palm Guy

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(brodklop @ Feb. 06 2008,07:09)

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just a theory.. but over the years I have noticed that at winter time some palms which normaly dont throw red new leaves can do so on accasions. I have seen this in Archontophoenix. It seems to be the timing of throwing the leaf and change in temperature.

Just a thought

Brod

Could be something in that Brod. Apparently the cooling temps allow black bamboo to go black.

That theory could be true. Chambeyronia's leaves tend to look even redder in cooler temperatures.

Michael Ferreira

Bermuda-Humid(77% ave), Subtropical Zone 11, no frost

Warm Season: (May-November): Max/Min 81F/73F

Cool Season: (Dec-Apr): Max/Min 70F/62F

Record High: 94F

Record Low: 43F

Rain: 55 inches per year with no dry/wet season

madagascarbob Rising Star

madagascarbob

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I've heard some botanist say the red is a natural sunscreen .

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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(Palmarum @ Feb. 05 2008,22:46)

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Jeff Searle · Posted on Feb. 05 2008,12:24

Ryan, you were out that day, do you have any better pictures to add?

Jeff

- Here they be. I, too was surprised to see it. To see one lone plant out of hundreds do it, came to me as a welcome sign that said, "Guess where I came from". The wonders that surround Dypsis species will go on for decades. It is nothing that will be solved in a short while. A hybrid could be a possibility as always, but might take a few years to try and figure that out.

2008-01-31_15-37-36.jpg

- Dypsis leptocheilos var. "Red Emergent" ?

- Dypsis leptocheilos var. "Red Push" ? ...  :D

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- Red Teddy Bear Palm ...

- Fiery Teddy Bear Palm ...

- Teddy Bear on Fire ... ?

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Ryan

Red Fred Teddy.

Cool Jeff, its even more red than I pictured it.  :)

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

JD in the OC Grand Master

JD in the OC

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Jeff,

Here are some pics of the one that we have.  Ours is definitely a Dypsis decaryi x leptocheilos.  We found two of them at another nursery recently, they are small but have nice red/bronze new leaves.

Here are a couple pics of our larger one.  The photo really doesn't show the red very well.  

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Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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Justen,

      I'm 99% sure that this is a pure D. lepto. based on all of them in the block, they all look the same . These were seed that came off my large palm here at the nursery. And at the time, there was no D. decaryi around.

      Now with that being said, I will post a pic. of some larger palms from a earlier crop of seed that are definitely hybrids, because a few years back I had a large D. decaryi in close proximity. And these show good characteristics of both parents.

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

Walter John Grand Master

Walter John

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(Jeff Searle @ Feb. 13 2008,10:05)

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Justen,

      I'm 99% sure that this is a pure D. lepto. based on all of them in the block, they all look the same . These were seed that came off my large palm here at the nursery. And at the time, there was no D. decaryi around.

      Now with that being said, I will post a pic. of some larger palms from a earlier crop of seed that are definitely hybrids, because a few years back I had a large D. decaryi in close proximity. And these show good characteristics of both parents.

Bring em on Jeff, more pics, more betterer, more happier me and all else.

How about these Bill ?

Flame Bear Palm

Backdraft Grizzly palm

Blood on the tracks fur palm

or if it's a hybrid

Tri-Fire Palm

Prism Red Palm

Umm..okay I'll go now......... :(

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

Palmarum Grand Master

Palmarum

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Jeff Searle · Posted on Feb. 12 2008,19:05

Justen,

    ...Now with that being said, I will post a pic. of some larger palms from a earlier crop of seed that are definitely hybrids, because a few years back I had a large D. decaryi in close proximity. And these show good characteristics of both parents.

I sense a request for photos coming real soon.

Ryan

South Florida

Jeff in Costa Rica Grand Master

Jeff in Costa Rica

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Very cool Jeff!  Keep us posted on it's progress.

Formerly Jeff in Costa Rica
 

JD in the OC Grand Master

JD in the OC

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Dypsis leptocheilos x decaryi

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Dypsis decaryi x leptocheilos

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DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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Jeff!

That things swoonerific!

O O O M P H ! ! !

Getting back up.

I've raised lots of teddies in my time, and I've never seen one that's red like that.

I think you have a new species or a hybrid with something else, though heaven knows what else.

dave

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(Palmarum @ Feb. 06 2008,06:46)

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... Teddy Bear on Fire ... ?

:laugh:  :D  :laugh:  :D  :laugh:

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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Red Bear

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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