Black Mealy bug

[jdapalms]

Here is a Picture of the Dark mealy bug palm at the Sullivan garden. I recall that I purchased 7 of these about 5 years ago and I gave this one to Terry Sullivan, it was the runt of the group (Terry rides me about this). They were all in 5 gallon size containers when I got them. The runt palm has out grown all of mine. It must be that Kapoho sunshine.

Jerry

Not so dark any more

[Jeff Searle]

Jerry,

     SWEET!! What a bitching palm. I have one in the ground that I think I finally found a spot it likes. After killing the first three.  I only have one other 7gallon left to plant out this summer. I have small ones that are the same palm under the name, Dypsis ovobontsira. With the same black lines on the new spear leaf. Thanks,

Jeff

[pogobob]

Unreal! Bring one back to san clem Pleeze

[Gtlevine]

Wow!, what a beauty. When people come to my house one of the first palms I show them is my three foot Black Mealy Bug, one of my holy grail palms.

Gary

Gary

[LJG]

Such a killer plant.

Jeff, remember what we talked about? Don't change your mind. Gary did not know what he was talking about.

[BS Man about Palms]

Awesome, Garys taking pictures and posting now, SWEET!

[BS Man about Palms]

Man, its a free for all tonite, with awesome pics and threads everywhere!!!!

[Jeff Searle]

(BS, Man about Palms @ Jan. 30 2008,23:57)

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Man, its a free for all tonite, with awesome pics and threads everywhere!!!!

YEA......and it's a lot later overhere in my neck of the woods.   But everytime I look, there's more pic's and comments to address.

Len,

    I know, I know. You want the last 8' one for $150. It's got your name on it.

Jeff

[LJG]

(Jeff Searle @ Jan. 30 2008,21:11)

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Len,

    I know, I know. You want the last 8' one for $150. It's got your name on it.

Jeff

Ok, perfect. You remember.

[cfkingfish]

Mine is barely making it along, I should have never sold 4 of my 5!

[Gtlevine]

(cfkingfish @ Jan. 31 2008,00:30)

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Mine is barely making it along, I should have never sold 4 of my 5!

I know what you mean Christian, I have given away plants in the past and the one I kept for myself croaked and I was stuck with nothing. My rule of thumb now is keep three for myself, you need a backup for your backup.

Gary

[MattyB]

Gary, are you sure that's the same palm as the one Jerry posted at the top?  Those cupped leaflets look so different.  Is that a juvenille thing then?  I've never seen the cupped or lanceolat leaflet style dypsis grow up so that's why I'm asking.

[Jeff Searle]

(Gtlevine @ Jan. 31 2008,11:59)

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(cfkingfish @ Jan. 31 2008,00:30)

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Mine is barely making it along, I should have never sold 4 of my 5!

I know what you mean Christian, I have given away plants in the past and the one I kept for myself croaked and I was stuck with nothing. My rule of thumb now is keep three for myself, you need a backup for your backup.

Gary

Gary,

     My rule of thumb is now up to 5 of the same specie. At least.So remember that when I see you next. lol !

Jeff

[Gtlevine]

(MattyB @ Jan. 31 2008,12:05)

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Gary, are you sure that's the same palm as the one Jerry posted at the top?  Those cupped leaflets look so different.  Is that a juvenille thing then?  I've never seen the cupped or lanceolat leaflet style dypsis grow up so that's why I'm asking.

Yes it is the same, the Dark Mealy bug is easy to distinguish from the dark fuzzy petiole's and the long black striping. As the palm gets larger it morphs into what Jerry posted, but does keep the pinkish and brown tomentum. Seeing this palm in person at Jeff Marcus garden in Hilo just blew me away, it is stunning.

Gary

[MattyB]

Ok, thanks.  So that's why what is being sold as D. presoniana, which has cupped leaflets, could possibly turn out to have longer adult leaflets that look like the D. OCWS or Big Curly.  Am I understanding that right?

[JD in the OC]

I got one of these Dark Mealy Bug's from Jeff Searle a year or so ago.  Its a nice 5 gallon now.  Thanks for parting with it Jeff  I'd post a pic, but my camera is kaputt.

So, let's set the record straight:

Dark Mealy Bug = D. ovobontsira

True Mealy Bug = D. mananjarensis

Malcomberi Mealy Bug = D. malcomberi

Highland Redneck (also has mealy bugs) = D. hovitrendrina

Any other mealy bug Dypsis?

[bgl]

JD,

the first three of those (botanical) names are all on Kew's list of accepted Dypsis names, but hovitrendrina is NOT. Is the Kew site a little out-of-date (i.e. has this species been described very recently) or did someone just make this name up??

Bo-Göran

[Gtlevine]

All of my understanding is that Dypsis Ovobontsira is actually the Highland Redneck, not the Dark Mealy Bug.

Gary

[Gtlevine]

(MattyB @ Jan. 31 2008,12:57)

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Ok, thanks.  So that's why what is being sold as D. presoniana, which has cupped leaflets, could possibly turn out to have longer adult leaflets that look like the D. OCWS or Big Curly.  Am I understanding that right?

Dypsis Prestoniana is very distinct, no confusion even on juvenile specimens. Yes to your second question, Dypsis Prestoniana is quite different in appearance, but has similar length leaves as Dypsis OCWS and Big Curly. The big difference in Dypsis OCWS and Big Curly is probably locale, OCWS was collected in the northern rainforests whereas Big Curly was collected in the southeast. Both palms are enormous.

Gary

[bgl]

This is my largest D. prestoniana (need to plant it! ), and this is apparently what's been sold as 'prestoniana' (at least here in Hawaii) for the past 3-4 years or so. If you go back 7-8-9 years in time, there were a number of different Dypsis that were all sold under the prestoniana name (especially by Kapoho Palms).

[Gtlevine]

Yes Bo, that is what we have in So Cal as Prestoniana. I bought one similar size to yours from Jerry Andersen just last month, a very nice palm. I wish I would have seen some juveniles when I was in Madagascar so I could compare, but I only saw mature palms. I also had two palms a while back under the name Dypsis Canuliculata, both looked very similar to Prestoniana. Unfortunately, I gave one away then my nice one croaked and I was left empty handed.

Gary

[JakeK]

What a great looking palm. The contrast between the dark petioles and the white crownshaft really set it off.

[ellidro]

Here is two of Jeff Marcus's plants.  He thinks these might be dypsis ovobontsira.

A little smaller plant

[Jeff Searle]

A few months back, John Dransfield commented on the name Dypsis hovitrendrina. He said this was not a valid name, and it should not be used.

   I'm not sure on D. ovobontsira being the Highland redneck. I learned that the H.R. was a D. lastelliana"Big Red". And I think D. ovob. is the the Black Mealybug. I have 3gallon plants under the name D. ovob. from seed that are now turning out to be the Black Mealybug. Just my observations.

Jeff

[BS Man about Palms]

I had this all figured out in my head until this thread started...............

[neoflora]

Jeff, What is H.R? I have D. Big Red. I don't think it is D. lasteliana. The seeds were different and comes from a much higher elevation.

[neoflora]

Flashback! I remember seeing a palm in a burn area. It looks exactly like this palm. I will try to find the picture. Eastern Madagascar!

[bgl]

Jeff,

You may very well be right about the Dark (black) mealybug being D. ovobontsira. Description in POM seems to be pretty close, even though without a trunking specimen at this point difficult to say with any degree of certainty.

And Gary,

I also happen to have (what was sold to me as) D. canaliculata. Here's a photo with D. prestoniana on the left and D. canaliculata on the right. There's a lot of similarity between these two (as you pointed out) and I think it's still too early to tell whether these two individuals are two different species or not.

Bo-Göran

[BS Man about Palms]

Bo- those "pots" at your place suprise me!!   I thought anything you had over 5 gal size went in the ground!!!   (unless, and I'll get depressed here, the photos are deceptive and those are 3 gal pots!)

[Gtlevine]

Yes, it is all swimming around in my head as well. I remember the discussion last summer about Ovobontsira possibly being Highland Redneck, but it looks like the consensus is Dark Mealybug. Would someone break out P.O.M. and check on the description of Ovobontsira and see if it checks out, the dark Mealy is so distinctive it should not be difficult. Does not matter to me though, I just love this palm, I dream of mine being the size of Jeff Marcus palm.

Gary

[Jeff Searle]

(neoflora @ Jan. 31 2008,21:20)

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Jeff, What is H.R? I have D. Big Red. I don't think it is D. lasteliana. The seeds were different and comes from a much higher elevation.

Ron,

    I used H R for Highland Redneck. But I remember talking to Bill B. while walking through the Masoala, we saw very large D. lastelliana 's growing there. I think he said that this was a form of the common D. last. A more larger, robust form.

Jeff

[Jeff Searle]

(bgl @ Jan. 31 2008,21:30)

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Jeff,

You may very well be right about the Dark (black) mealybug being D. ovobontsira. Description in POM seems to be pretty close, even though without a trunking specimen at this point difficult to say with any degree of certainty.

And Gary,

I also happen to have (what was sold to me as) D. canaliculata. Here's a photo with D. prestoniana on the left and D. canaliculata on the right. There's a lot of similarity between these two (as you pointed out) and I think it's still too early to tell whether these two individuals are two different species or not.

Bo-Göran

Bo,

    A good comparison with your two plants. I have some of the same size pants as well and feel that these two are definitely different. You can see it in the leaves of your two plants. But, were starting to drift off topic.

Jeff

[Utopia Palms]

Hi All

Just a small note that John.D. Let us know back in another topic (6 month ago or maybe longer?), that this palm is not D.Ovodonsira, the thing is that he did not give us any idea what this species might be so more that likely it has not been described? Or if has been described and it has not been published yet?

The seed is still being collected under this name so just be aware that we could end up with a second palm with the same name if the true species were to collected some day.

It’s certainly a stunning palm!!!! Once again you need to get this species in the ground as soon as you can to really see it’s full potential! If you have the room defiantly plant more than one.

[neoflora]

Jeff, This not a D. lasteliana!The seed is different. It appears to be a thinner trunk than D. lasteliana. It grows well here in So. Cal. Leaves have a blue green look. I think Mikey once refered to it there in Aust. as D. sps. Andaingo. Hopefully he will have a look.

[bgl]

Bill,

Ha ha...you didn't know I had a container ranch!?  Actually, that's part of my new nursery area, which is adjacent to our 5 acres (but on land we have a long term lease on). My secret plan is to grow all these unusual Dypsis up to 5G, 7G and 15G size so that when we have palm visitors from the mainland they will instantly feel an unstoppable urge to buy property here and start planting palms!

And those two palms are in 15G pots. The ones in the back (all D. prestoniana) are in 7G pots.

Jeff,

I do agree that the leaflet arrangements on the two palms look different (and believe me, I took a real close look when I took the photo), but I think it's also a reasonable possibility that the leaflets will change as the palms mature. But, needless to say, I'm hoping I have two different species here. And BOTH will go in the ground later this year!

Bo-Göran

[ellidro]

The Dark Mealybug/Ovobontsira and the Dypsis White were two of the most beautiful and striking palms I saw in Hawaii.  They both made me stop in my tracks when I saw them.  Unfortunately both of these seem to be difficult, but not impossible, grows outside in California.  I think the key might be getting them to a bigger size then planting them out.  The problem is getting them to that size, even in a greenhouse in Socal takes a long time.

[Walter John]

(Utopia Palms @ Feb. 01 2008,13:33)

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Hi All

Just a small note that John.D. Let us know back in another topic (6 month ago or maybe longer?), that this palm is not D.Ovodonsira, the thing is that he did not give us any idea what this species might be so more that likely it has not been described? Or if has been described and it has not been published yet?

The seed is still being collected under this name so just be aware that we could end up with a second palm with the same name if the true species were to collected some day.

It’s certainly a stunning palm!!!! Once again you need to get this species in the ground as soon as you can to really see it’s full potential! If you have the room defiantly plant more than one.

Clayton, I reckon you should plant one of each of these Dypsis biggies alongside each other, better make it 3 of each,  and we, that is you can then settle all issues on which Dypsis is which. You know 'em, big red, big white, big black, stumpy 1 and 2, orange crown. mealy bug, etc etc etc.

Don't thank me, I've got a million great ideas.  :laugh:

[ariscott]

Or better yet, sent them all to me, Clayton... I will pick a special place to grow them quickly... and let you know in a few years       . I definitely still have the room.

Regards, Ari

[calyptrocalyx&licuala freck]

Hi Guys I copied ,&moved what I wrote

It looks like D.lastelliana, But it's not,There is a relationship

of the latter menitioned above but more on the distance side.

Looking though some old notes, Bill Beattie had first had the name

D.secretii, attached,but also that the seeds came from Alfred Razafindratsira.

And also a very cold hardy palm.

Collection site was Ambohimena, (Adaingo).

If anyone can get there hands on Old copies of "Wodyetia"

Which was from our now disbanded ' Far North Queensland palm and Cycad Association'

Theres 2 Issues to see , the first is,Vol 3, Issue 4 1998.

In that copy you will see a young one, from Rich Trapnells

Collection (8'' pot size). And then January 2003 Vol7; issue 3.

you will see the palm in Question. The only name I can put so far is D. 'sp' Adaingo.

Has anyone got this name attached to any in there collections. .

Regards Mikey.

P.S. Guys this gets alot deeper/ more to come later

I'll post a few pic's as soon as I can. Hope everyones wearing Gumboots. :laugh:  :laugh:

[bgl]

Mikey,

I have no record of the name "Adaingo" in my database file. And what are "gumboots"???

Bo-Göran