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Hilo Palm

Wai`anae Steve

By Wai`anae Steve
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Wai`anae Steve

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Ok guys what the heck is a Hilo Palm????

Stopped at Home Depot in Kapolae tonight and found about 1/2 dozen of these palms in 3 gallon pots.  I bought one for $20.

I'll take better pictures in the morning under natural light, but in the mean time these will have to do.

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There is a slight pink tone to the crownshafts.

Wai`anae Steve-------www.waianaecrider.com
Living in Paradise, Leeward O`ahu, Hawai`i, USA
Temperature range yearly from say 95 to 62 degrees F
Only 3 hurricanes in the past 51 years and no damage. No floods where I am, No tornados, No earthquakes
No moles, squirrels, chipmunks, deer, etc. Just the neighbors "wild" chickens

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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Ask Bo.

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Wai`anae Steve Veteran

Wai`anae Steve

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(BS, Man about Palms @ Jan. 09 2008,00:46)

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Ask Bo.

I'm waiting for him or Jeff or Dan to chip in.

Wai`anae Steve-------www.waianaecrider.com
Living in Paradise, Leeward O`ahu, Hawai`i, USA
Temperature range yearly from say 95 to 62 degrees F
Only 3 hurricanes in the past 51 years and no damage. No floods where I am, No tornados, No earthquakes
No moles, squirrels, chipmunks, deer, etc. Just the neighbors "wild" chickens

bgl Grand Master

bgl

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Archontophoenix alexandrae is commonly referred to as the "Hilo palm" but this is clearly not an A. alexandrae. I'd say Ptychosperma macarthurii.

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

Wai`anae Steve Veteran

Wai`anae Steve

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(bgl @ Jan. 09 2008,01:01)

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Archontophoenix alexandrae is commonly referred to as the "Hilo palm" but this is clearly not an A. alexandrae. I'd say Ptychosperma macarthurii.

Bo, If this is true the I'm gonna be mighty "pissed" at the nursery for not labeling it MacArthur Palm.  :angry:   I think those I've seen here were greener and thinner at this size.

I'm going to try to contact the nursery on Thursday when I get back to the area.  Of course that depends on HD giving me their name.

Oh yea, thanks   :D

Wai`anae Steve-------www.waianaecrider.com
Living in Paradise, Leeward O`ahu, Hawai`i, USA
Temperature range yearly from say 95 to 62 degrees F
Only 3 hurricanes in the past 51 years and no damage. No floods where I am, No tornados, No earthquakes
No moles, squirrels, chipmunks, deer, etc. Just the neighbors "wild" chickens

bgl Grand Master

bgl

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Just an educated guess on my part.

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

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Wai`anae Steve

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(bgl @ Jan. 09 2008,01:16)

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Just an educated guess on my part.

And you are well educated about palms   :D

Wai`anae Steve-------www.waianaecrider.com
Living in Paradise, Leeward O`ahu, Hawai`i, USA
Temperature range yearly from say 95 to 62 degrees F
Only 3 hurricanes in the past 51 years and no damage. No floods where I am, No tornados, No earthquakes
No moles, squirrels, chipmunks, deer, etc. Just the neighbors "wild" chickens

NatureGirl Grand Master

NatureGirl

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It looks alot like a Ptychosperma that I received as P. 'leather leaf'.

Warrior Palm Princess, Satellite Beach, Florida

Phil Veteran

Phil

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Wow Steve!

It's that recently discovered Dypsis hiloensis....just recently found among Bo's inadvertent throwaways and resurrected by an annonymous wholesale grower.....

not.

Ptychosperma for sure.  I can't tell if it's suckering or single plants planted together.  The largest looks like P. elegans.

Phil

Jungle Music Palms and Cycads, established 1977 and located in Encinitas, CA, 20 miles north of San Diego on the Coast.  Phone:  619 2914605 Link to Phil's Email phil.bergman@junglemusic.net Website: www.junglemusic.net Link to Jungle Music Palms and Cycads

Breadfruit Bill Grand Master

Breadfruit Bill

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Any reason is couldn't be a couple P. solomonense?

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Obviously a genus I know nothing about!  :D

www.dadluvsu.com

Wai`anae Steve Veteran

Wai`anae Steve

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Not MacArthur Palm for sure.  Looked at mine and they are much greener on crownshafts as well as clumping.  Might be P. elegans although mine has less "dots" on the petiole.

Here is a daylight shot of the crownshaft and one of the label.

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Don't you just hate it when people make up names.   :angry:

Wai`anae Steve-------www.waianaecrider.com
Living in Paradise, Leeward O`ahu, Hawai`i, USA
Temperature range yearly from say 95 to 62 degrees F
Only 3 hurricanes in the past 51 years and no damage. No floods where I am, No tornados, No earthquakes
No moles, squirrels, chipmunks, deer, etc. Just the neighbors "wild" chickens

deezpalms Grand Master

deezpalms

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I'm thinking Ptychosperma elegans.

Dave Hughson

Carlsbad, Ca

1 mile from ocean

Zone 10b

Palm freaks are good peeps!!!!!

bgl Grand Master

bgl

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P. elegans didn't occur to me since there were multiple trunks, but probably a good possibility (with several individuals in the pot). Plus, P. elegans is certainly much more of a "Hilo palm" than P. macarthurii.

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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I think it's a multi-planted P. elegans too.  Or an undiscovered species, one of the two.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

osideterry Grand Master

osideterry

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Didn't Archontophoenix and Ptychosperma both get called "Seaforthia elegans" by some nurseries years ago? If they were mixed up back then, no surprise it could happen again.

Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22

7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m)

Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C)

Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm)

cobra2326 Proficient

cobra2326

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I think it's P. elegans, too.  I see these in malls often, and they resemble adonidias.  At this age, I can see this resemblance as well.

Now that I think about it, the palm that I have in my living room is a P. elegans.  I bought it labeled as Adonidia, but have always thought it looked different.  The leaf patterns when young are very similar.  I've noticed that Ptychosperma have less compact crowns and that white coating on the crownshaft.

Jon

Brooksville, FL 9a

_Keith Grand Master

_Keith

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(osideterry @ Jan. 09 2008,16:24)

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Didn't Archontophoenix and Ptychosperma both get called "Seaforthia elegans" by some nurseries years ago? If they were mixed up back then, no surprise it could happen again.

I bought a palm a few months ago labeled King Palm thinking it was Archontophoenix alexandrae.  When I repotted it recently I found the original tag labeled "Seaforthia elegans, Archontophoenix cunninghamiana."  So, who knows what you get when you buy a palm, surely not the big box stores.  Most of the nurseries, even some of the growers don't know.  But then again, that is part of the fun in this, I have found.  Thank god there are folks out there like the ones on this board.  

Present company on this board excluded from all above comments, for sure.

In my post I sometimes express "my" opinion. Warning, it may differ from "your" opinion. If so, please do not feel insulted, just state your own if you wish. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or any other damages

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Wai`anae Steve

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Thanks guys.

I'll probablyput them in the ground today.  I have one single back in the shade, guess I'll put these guys in the sun and see what happens.

I picked the one w/three different sized palms which should make the "clump"  look better in a few years.  The single in the back grew about 3 feet or more in 2 years.

Any ways, if you O`ahu guys are looking for a nice looking palm for only $20 head to H. D. there were at least 5 more at the Kapolae store.

Wai`anae Steve-------www.waianaecrider.com
Living in Paradise, Leeward O`ahu, Hawai`i, USA
Temperature range yearly from say 95 to 62 degrees F
Only 3 hurricanes in the past 51 years and no damage. No floods where I am, No tornados, No earthquakes
No moles, squirrels, chipmunks, deer, etc. Just the neighbors "wild" chickens

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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Look at the yellow lable Steve.  It says "single trunked palm".  That's P. elegans for sure.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

osideterry Grand Master

osideterry

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Is it possible Steve's Hilo Palm and my Manila Palm might be the same? They both sold for $20 at a big box store. Mine came in volcanic gravel, same as my teddy. If you removed the second stem, and trimmed the older fronds they'd be pretty close. Especially the way the newest leaf is opening.

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Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22

7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m)

Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C)

Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm)

Wai`anae Steve Veteran

Wai`anae Steve

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No way any  nursery in Hawaii could mis-label a Manila Palm.

Wai`anae Steve-------www.waianaecrider.com
Living in Paradise, Leeward O`ahu, Hawai`i, USA
Temperature range yearly from say 95 to 62 degrees F
Only 3 hurricanes in the past 51 years and no damage. No floods where I am, No tornados, No earthquakes
No moles, squirrels, chipmunks, deer, etc. Just the neighbors "wild" chickens

Matt in SD Veteran

Matt in SD

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They look like multi-planted P elegans to me.  Steve, can  you tell if it is actually suckering or not?

Matt

San Diego

0.6 Acres of a south facing, gently sloped dirt pile, soon to be impenetrable jungle

East of Mount Soledad, in the biggest cold sink in San Diego County.

Zone 10a (I hope), Sunset 24

Wai`anae Steve Veteran

Wai`anae Steve

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(Matt in SD @ Jan. 09 2008,19:59)

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They look like multi-planted P elegans to me.  Steve, can  you tell if it is actually suckering or not?

Matt

No suckering.  Looks like 3 singles.

P. elegans is what I'll label it.

Still want to talk to the nursery man.

Wai`anae Steve-------www.waianaecrider.com
Living in Paradise, Leeward O`ahu, Hawai`i, USA
Temperature range yearly from say 95 to 62 degrees F
Only 3 hurricanes in the past 51 years and no damage. No floods where I am, No tornados, No earthquakes
No moles, squirrels, chipmunks, deer, etc. Just the neighbors "wild" chickens

Wai`anae Steve Veteran

Wai`anae Steve

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Planted it today.  First I cut off the bottom of the pot, the the portion above the soil level. HiloPalmF.jpg

HiloPalmG.jpg

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Wai`anae Steve-------www.waianaecrider.com
Living in Paradise, Leeward O`ahu, Hawai`i, USA
Temperature range yearly from say 95 to 62 degrees F
Only 3 hurricanes in the past 51 years and no damage. No floods where I am, No tornados, No earthquakes
No moles, squirrels, chipmunks, deer, etc. Just the neighbors "wild" chickens

Al in Kona Grand Master

Al in Kona

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Steve, it's a healthy looking plant whatever it is.  

Sometimes you just never know what looms in those big box stores.  A few years ago I was casually looking at the palms for sale at our local Kona Wal Mart and I noticed a grouping of about 10 1-gal size Wodyetias and in among them there was one that looked slightly different and it sure looked like a "Foxy Lady" as I remembered how mine looked when that size.  I bought it and planted it and today it is a very beautiful, yes, Foxy Lady.  Here it is . . .

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Hawaii Island (Big Island), leeward coast, 19 degrees N. latitude, south Kona mauka at approx. 380m (1,250 ft.) and about 1.6 km (1-mile) upslope from ocean.

 

No record of a hurricane passing over this island (yet!).  

Summer maximum rainfall - variable averaging 900-1150mm (35-45") - Perfect drainage on black volcanic rocky soil.  

Nice sunsets!

paulgila Grand Master

paulgila

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great shot,al!!!so green!

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

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