Identify my late grandpas palm

[HouseMouse]

Need some help identifying palms of my late grandpa, my most important one to identify currently I’m afraid may be sick? I recall him saying it was a Russian palm of some kind, that he’d never seen another and could be the only one in America to his knowledge.   He has many palms around the property, a few have died over the years and I’d like to replace (jelly palm died while he was still alive from a severe freeze.  Since he’s died I’ve lost I think a fishtail? From a rodent chewing off every leaf tot make a nest in the greenhouse) 

the Russian plan I would like identified and to know if I need to do anything to help it out.   Struggling to add photos , I know he said it was Russian, it had abudany fluffy fiver produced in the nooks around the trunk where fronds grow out, fan type leaves.    Currently lots of brown dots and yellowing ends of leaves, as well as dead fronds.  I know the main plant died a few years ago and the current trees are shoots sent up from her roots.   I’m scared to seperate them since I’m not sure how fragile they are to root disturbances 

[happypalms]

Pretty hard to diagnose a palm without a picture, even a doctor would want to see scans or an X-ray before making a diagnosis?

[alzo]

There are no palms native to Russia that I'm aware of. From you're description, a very hardy, suckering fan palm with fibres between it's leaf nodes and imported from Europe, sounds a lot like Chamaerops humilis, also known as the mediterranean fan palm. Non so commonly discussed, but there will be others in America. 

Does your grandpas palm look like this? This palm also has a compact blue leaf form.

Picture from the palm centre

[HouseMouse]

Got pictures to load finally! 
you can see the old stump in the middle, lots of suckers about her  

here’s how the trunk looks with the fluffy white fibers

the speckling I’m worried indicates something is wrong? 

[HouseMouse]

7 hours ago, alzo said:

There are no palms native to Russia that I'm aware of. From you're description, a very hardy, suckering fan palm with fibres between it's leaf nodes and imported from Europe, sounds a lot like Chamaerops humilis, also known as the mediterranean fan palm. Non so commonly discussed, but there will be others in America. 

Does your grandpas palm look like this? This palm also has a compact blue leaf form.

Picture from the palm centre

Close but not quite. It’s more of a fluffy white fibers than that you can quite easily pluck out, maybe it’s similar? I did finally get pictures to upload 😊

 

[aabell]

It's Nannorrhops ritchiana, Mazari palm. Not native to Russia, but further south in Asia and the middle east, including Pakistan and Afghanistan. I know some cold hardy palm enthusiasts in the US grow them but they are certainly not common in cultivation. 

The only place where palms are grown in Russia is along the black sea coast, primarily in Sochi. They plant a lot of Trachycarpus there and probably some others. None are native to the region. 

[HouseMouse]

1 hour ago, aabell said:

It's Nannorrhops ritchiana, Mazari palm. Not native to Russia, but further south in Asia and the middle east, including Pakistan and Afghanistan. I know some cold hardy palm enthusiasts in the US grow them but they are certainly not common in cultivation. 

The only place where palms are grown in Russia is along the black sea coast, primarily in Sochi. They plant a lot of Trachycarpus there and probably some others. None are native to the region. 

 

ah-ha! Thank you very much! Can you tell Is ours ok or diseased? Can I do anything to aid it.   I know my grandpas palms here were brought up from Florida, many years prior when his grandpas/great grandpas nursery closed he went down and got many and brought them back. (Coppingers tropical garden and pirates cove)  

There’s a few different large palms planted about the house, and he had lady palms and I think a fishtail? Or foxtail? As well as a sago planted in pots that go in the greenhouse overwinter.  

[aabell]

46 minutes ago, HouseMouse said:

 

ah-ha! Thank you very much! Can you tell Is ours ok or diseased? Can I do anything to aid it.   I know my grandpas palms here were brought up from Florida, many years prior when his grandpas/great grandpas nursery closed he went down and got many and brought them back. (Coppingers tropical garden and pirates cove)  

There’s a few different large palms planted about the house, and he had lady palms and I think a fishtail? Or foxtail? As well as a sago planted in pots that go in the greenhouse overwinter.  

My uneducated guess would be that it suffered a bit from this past harsh winter, and that since it comes from such a dry climate it might be vulnerable to fungal attacks in the southern US. From your photos though the damage looks rather cosmetic, and I would not be too concerned. It probably isn't worth trying to spray the leaves with anything as I doubt there is an active pathogen attacking them at this point. As long as the newer leaves are unblemished the palm will replace the damaged older leaves over the course of the hot growing season. A small dose of a good palm fertilizer wouldn't hurt. I would not cut any of the damaged leaves off, only the completely dead brown leaves if you want. The damaged leaves are still contributing to photosynthesis and cutting away the cosmetic damage would do more harm than good. 

Overall though it seems like it's a survivor and I would bet it will be just fine without any intervention.

[HouseMouse]

3 hours ago, aabell said:

My uneducated guess would be that it suffered a bit from this past harsh winter, and that since it comes from such a dry climate it might be vulnerable to fungal attacks in the southern US. From your photos though the damage looks rather cosmetic, and I would not be too concerned. It probably isn't worth trying to spray the leaves with anything as I doubt there is an active pathogen attacking them at this point. As long as the newer leaves are unblemished the palm will replace the damaged older leaves over the course of the hot growing season. A small dose of a good palm fertilizer wouldn't hurt. I would not cut any of the damaged leaves off, only the completely dead brown leaves if you want. The damaged leaves are still contributing to photosynthesis and cutting away the cosmetic damage would do more harm than good. 

Overall though it seems like it's a survivor and I would bet it will be just fine without any intervention.

Wonderful thank you! I don’t know what I’d do if we lost more of his plants at this point but I feel rather pitifully uneducated with the plants he left us. We have a few palm books left behind from him but was overwhelmed trying to figure things out from that 

[quaman58]

It's a bit hard to tell for sure, but my first thought due to leaf shape, structure & clumping habit was Accoleraphi wrightii.  Which I was keeping to myself until you mentioned the palms came from Florida.

[96720]

The one picture looks like it is costapalmate if that is true not nannrops

[HouseMouse]

3 hours ago, 96720 said:

The one picture looks like it is costapalmate if that is true not nannrops

Would this be palmate or costapalmate?  Clearer picture on one frond, they are rather close together the way all the offshoot suckers are from the mother plant.   The trunk fluff looks like the nannrops when I looked that up 

there is a slight possibility there’s another palm mixed in among the others the way they’re so clustered up hard to tell for me. 

[tim_brissy_13]

4 hours ago, 96720 said:

The one picture looks like it is costapalmate if that is true not nannrops

It’s Nannorrhops. I’d say probably N ritchiana. This trait is consistent with the genus. Think of costapalmate as a subset of palmate; in reality many, many palmate palms are costapalmate. From memory I think Nannorrhops is actually one of the few palm genera with fronds without hastulas. 

[96720]

Nannorrhops also branch which if this palm is very old should be branching!!!