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Anyone know anything about this palm garden in the middle of nowhere in Bahia de Los Angeles in Baja California, Mexico?

kylecawazafla

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kylecawazafla Grand Master

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I just got back from a brief road trip to Bahia de Los Angeles to see the northernmost red mangroves on an island in the Gulf of California! It is a tiny coastal village in the middle of nowhere with no cell service and only satellite internet. Nevertheless, I stumbled upon some incredibly rare palms in a random garden! Anyone know any information about this garden? 
 

I tried knocking on the doors nearby but nobody was home, but there was a house pipe with wet ground beneath it so it looks like someone is tending to these palms.
 

Click here if you want to see ALL the photos from the road trip

 

First is the trip's purpose: the colony of red mangroves with the second pic being the particular northernmost mangrove in the colony. 
 

I'm guessing palms are Medemia argun, Bismarckia nobilis, Copernicia baileyana, Hyphaene coriacea, Cocos nucifera (only one in the village), Sabal riverside, Brahea armata (native), and Chamaerops humilis var. cerifera. 

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happypalms Grand Master

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Oh my they are some of the toughest looking palms around, look at that environment! Most likely Sabal one looks like a coconut!  But that’s about the rest I have no idea but tough they are.

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Mazat Grand Master

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7 hours ago, kylecawazafla said:

I just got back from a brief road trip to Bahia de Los Angeles to see the northernmost red mangroves on an island in the Gulf of California! It is a tiny coastal village in the middle of nowhere with no cell service and only satellite internet. Nevertheless, I stumbled upon some incredibly rare palms in a random garden! Anyone know any information about this garden? 
 

I tried knocking on the doors nearby but nobody was home, but there was a house pipe with wet ground beneath it so it looks like someone is tending to these palms.
 

Click here if you want to see ALL the photos from the road trip

 

First is the trip's purpose: the colony of red mangroves with the second pic being the particular northernmost mangrove in the colony. 
 

I'm guessing palms are Medemia argun, Bismarckia nobilis, Copernicia baileyana, Hyphaene coriacea, Cocos nucifera (only one in the village), Sabal riverside, Brahea armata (native), and Chamaerops humilis var. cerifera. 

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Great pictures, Kyle 🤗

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idontknowhatnametuse Veteran

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They were probably imported from the US because getting most of those species in my country is super hard.

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SeanK Grand Master

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Photo 4 - Bismarckia. To the right of the Cocos looks like Brahea.

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bubba Grand Master

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Second picture is definitely a lonesome mangrove. The 3rd and 4th picture are the same specimen, a perfectly trimmed Sabal or Copernicia. 5th is definitely a juvenile C. nucifera.

What is the latitude of this extremely well tended garden in the middle of nowhere? Best

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What you look for is what is looking

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The town of Bahia de los Angeles is at 28.95 N.

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Andrei W. Konradi, Burlingame, California.  Vicarious appreciator of palms in other people's gardens and in habitat

kylecawazafla Grand Master

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15 hours ago, happypalms said:

Oh my they are some of the toughest looking palms around, look at that environment! Most likely Sabal one looks like a coconut!  But that’s about the rest I have no idea but tough they are.

The assumed palm IDs are in the last paragraph! 

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kylecawazafla Grand Master

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Estaba con la esperanaza que alguien aqui conoceria la persona responsable para esa sorpresa en el medio de la nada! XP 

 

There are trunking coconut palms all the way up to San Felipe! There is actually one on the side of the main road just a few miles south of the outskirts of Mexicali as well that's about to get a trunk that I've seen over the last few years. 

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Great shots as usual Kyle.. 

Agree with @idontknowhatnametuse ..wonder if someone with good palm knowledge brought them down there.  Interesting none the less. 


 Curious..  How long is the trip there from the border?..



FYI: " unknown " tree in your photo album from your trip = Bursera hindsiana,  AKA:  Red Elephant Tree, ..due to having predominantly Manzanita red toned bark.  


Not 100% certain but thinking the Sand Dollar in one of your shots is either Encope grandis, Perforated Sand Dollar,  ..or E. micropora, Six -Pored Sand Dollar.  Both occur in that part of BCN.  

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kylecawazafla Grand Master

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Thank you so much! Yes, I assumed someone with palm knowledge would bring a Medemia argun there since they aren't very easy to come across! haha

You really know your plants! I can't believe how common Bursera hindsiana are for not showing up on any of my google searches when I was trying to identify it... but that's totally it! Thank you! 

Bahia de Los Angeles is about 6 hours from the border, however I live by Mexicali, so it's a little closer than coming from San Diego. 

Thank you for the sand dollar ID too! bonus! 

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Xenon Grand Master

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Awesome! Random Medemia and Hyphaene in the middle of nowhere is wild 

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Roughly the same latitude as Daytona Beach or Clearwater. Outstanding find!

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14 hours ago, kylecawazafla said:

You really know your plants! I can't believe how common Bursera hindsiana are for not showing up on any of my google searches when I was trying to identify it... but that's totally it! Thank you! 

Unless it is the " usual " Bursera sp suspects, IE: B. fageroides, B. microphylla,  ..and /or B. simarubra ( Gumbo Limbo )  Google searches for ..even the less common sps ( Over 100 in total in the genus ) are likely going to come up empty or wrong..   iNat is the definitely the best place for solving most NOID mysteries encountered.  

Keying out that sp. is definitely easier than if you'd been in a part of MEX where there can be as many as  15 to 30 sps of Bursera growing in a fairly small area..  Some look so similar to each other that you have to get detailed shots of the bark,  any flower and / or fruit morphology seen to tease apart with 95% accuracy. 

Regardless, B. hindsiana is reasonably common in the plant trade, if you know where to look. 

 

 

14 hours ago, kylecawazafla said:

Bahia de Los Angeles is about 6 hours from the border, however I live by Mexicali, so it's a little closer than coming from San Diego. 

Thank you for the sand dollar ID too! bonus! 

6 hours isn't bad..  Roughly about the same time in the car between San Jose and L.A.  ..or from here to L.A.  



BTW, a couple other bonus IDs from your album for you to look over:

Jatropha = Possibly  J. cinerea, Ashy Jatropha / Limberbush  ..Common in that part of Baja.   J. vernicosa  looks similar but hasn't been documented -officially at least, AFAIK-  any further north than about Mulege'.

Jatropha cuneata also occurs there but tends to be shorter / fatter,  w/ lots more " twiggy " branching than J. cinerea. 

" Mystery Succulent " =  ..Thought Agave ..something..  at first but,  digging around a little more,  you actually may have encountered Hesperoyucca whipplei  specimens within the southern end of it's currently documented range ( Southernmost pop grows in the mountains near San Ignacio just across the state line in BCS )  Both Agave sps that occur in the general BDLA area ( A. shawii and cerulea ) have wider leaves, and Datillo Yucca has a very  distinct look that stands out. 

 

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Nice selection of sun and drought tolerant palms!  Obviously not by accident.  ☺️

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