Pindo, Mule or Alfredii for front yard?

[SCVpalmenthusiast]

11 hours ago, Silas_Sancona said:

 Definitely keep it watered.  Probably not going to have to wait until summer for a nice growth spurt , ..or " summer " heat this year.. 

Your current Point n Click forecast for next week: 




Btw,  Nice to see you'll be joining us in the 100F+ heat  ..in MARCH..  club  

It’s pretty crazy heat advisory in March. 

 

When should I fertilize? I think I can get some good growth coming. I wanna capitalize on the heat. 

[Silas_Sancona]

6 minutes ago, SCVpalmenthusiast said:

It’s pretty crazy heat advisory in March. 

 

When should I fertilize? I think I can get some good growth coming. I wanna capitalize on the heat. 

My thoughts on this only  ..since others may differ opinion- wise but,    Since you just planted it ..and some other palms,  you don't want to hit it with something " heavy "  ..IE anything that has a high NPK ratio,  esp anything synthetic..  Trying to put down new roots + push new growth + taking up a heavy load of nutrients ..all at the same time,   can put a good amount of stress on -any- newly planted plant..

I'd get yourself something organic..  Say something like Sul -Po - Mag from either Down To Earth or EB Stone ( Their Hibiscus and Palm Fert is great too )  and apply that,  for now...   Because it is non chemical,  it won't burn roots / will release nutrients slowly. 

Depending on how quickly the palm(s) settle in / really start moving ( ..a good sign they're getting their new roots down ) you can switch to something a little stronger.. Synthetic or Organic   that contains the proper 8 -2 - 12 NPK ratio. 

No matter what,  remember to never put -any- fertilizer up against the trunk of the palms ( ...or anything else ).. 



As far as the heat ahead,  upper 90s - low 100s in your local forecast there may be crazy for March,  but,   ..It could be worse.. 

...Just looked over the Point n Click forecast for the Palm Springs / Indio area..  They may see their temps max out at 110- 112F by next Friday..    Insane.  

[SCVpalmenthusiast]

2 hours ago, Silas_Sancona said:

My thoughts on this only  ..since others may differ opinion- wise but,    Since you just planted it ..and some other palms,  you don't want to hit it with something " heavy "  ..IE anything that has a high NPK ratio,  esp anything synthetic..  Trying to put down new roots + push new growth + taking up a heavy load of nutrients ..all at the same time,   can put a good amount of stress on -any- newly planted plant..

I'd get yourself something organic..  Say something like Sul -Po - Mag from either Down To Earth or EB Stone ( Their Hibiscus and Palm Fert is great too )  and apply that,  for now...   Because it is non chemical,  it won't burn roots / will release nutrients slowly. 

Depending on how quickly the palm(s) settle in / really start moving ( ..a good sign they're getting their new roots down ) you can switch to something a little stronger.. Synthetic or Organic   that contains the proper 8 -2 - 12 NPK ratio. 

No matter what,  remember to never put -any- fertilizer up against the trunk of the palms ( ...or anything else ).. 



As far as the heat ahead,  upper 90s - low 100s in your local forecast there may be crazy for March,  but,   ..It could be worse.. 

...Just looked over the Point n Click forecast for the Palm Springs / Indio area..  They may see their temps max out at 110- 112F by next Friday..    Insane.  

Organic compost would be okay? There must be some heatwave in so cal, even Carpinteria beach is high for March, these numbers would be high for July.

 

Im kinda kicking myself for not trying out the royal palm. Too many differing opinions on here. 

[Silas_Sancona]

51 minutes ago, SCVpalmenthusiast said:

There must be some heatwave in so cal, even Carpinteria beach is high for March, these numbers would be high for July.

S. Cal,  ..Entire west..   See: 👇
 

Yes,  mulch would be fine.  You want to feed the microbes in your soil anyway.    Got any leaves from the Birch / anything else dropping leaves atm hanging around?   throw them around the palms too..


No need to kick yourself..    Still got some room ..somewhere on your property to squeeze one in?  ..Go for it. What do you gotta loose. 

[bubba]

B. alfredii are cold hardy to 25°F so I think you are good to go in your area. However, they are very slow growers. These are 15 years old in Florida and they are just developing trunks.

[bubba]

[Harry’s Palms]

I use EB Stone , the one that @Silas_Sancona mentioned. It has a bit of an odor but hardly noticeable. I have put a low dose mixed in the top soil around the palms that need a little extra ( most don’t) . Make sure the soil is damp and not too close to the trunk . I cover with fresh wood chips . Harry

‘This Roystonia Oleracae is a bit of a push for my climate so it gets fed from Spring to Fall.

I also feed this Chambeyronia that is not a push at all but gets full afternoon sun . The fertilizer , combined with copious amounts of water seems to help. The wood chips seem to keep the soil from drying out or getting baked in the sun . A bit of insulation.

[SCVpalmenthusiast]

2 hours ago, bubba said:

B. alfredii are cold hardy to 25°F so I think you are good to go in your area. However, they are very slow growers. These are 15 years old in Florida and they are just developing trunks.

Thanks for the reference. Is it a hot part of Florida? As far as im aware, they grow well when watered heavily and in high heat areas. I believe @sonoranfans has one about the same age and much larger. 

[bubba]

These are grown at the Mounts Botanical Garden in WPB, adjacent to the airport. The climate at PBIA is tropical per Koeppen (all months in excess of 64.4 degrees F). It is a far more humid climate with greater heat than your climate. Sonorfans has a very green thumb and the most beautiful C. fallaensis I have personally seen!

[SCVpalmenthusiast]

12 minutes ago, bubba said:

These are grown at the Mounts Botanical Garden in WPB, adjacent to the airport. The climate at PBIA is tropical per Koeppen (all months in excess of 64.4 degrees F). It is a far more humid climate with greater heat than your climate. Sonorfans has a very green thumb and the most beautiful C. fallaensis I have personally seen!

What is he doing differently? Seems like the same climate with an extraordinary difference in size. 

[bubba]

I think we need to ask him! I believe we have a warmer climate here, but he pulls rabbits out a hats!

[Merlyn]

@SCVpalmenthusiast I'll retract my earlier comment about Alfredii being a bad choice so close to the house.    For some reason I thought you were putting it up right next to the house, like the spot with the Teddy Bear.  You'll have to chop a few fronds off early next to the driveway, but I think that will work great!  

I have Blue Glow underneath a big Bismarck, with rain runoff from the driveway feeding it too.  As Silas said, that one is pretty tolerant of moisture.  For some color you could look at "Ripple Effect" if you can find one.  

As far as growth rate, 15 years to 1-2' of trunk seems...er...way too long.  4 of mine went from 3g in June 2018 (smaller than yours) to more trunk than the Mounts ones now.  The 5th one is a bit smaller, but I transplanted it in March 2019 because I planted it about 5 feet from my well's control box and water retention tank.  This one is the smallest of the bigger 4, just after a "hurricane cut" to reduce the crown last summer.  So that photo is almost exactly 7 years from a 3 gallon.

And here it is in June 2018 when I planted it:

Edited 7 hours ago by Merlyn
Added photo

[SCVpalmenthusiast]

17 minutes ago, Merlyn said:

@SCVpalmenthusiast I'll retract my earlier comment about Alfredii being a bad choice so close to the house.    For some reason I thought you were putting it up right next to the house, like the spot with the Teddy Bear.  You'll have to chop a few fronds off early next to the driveway, but I think that will work great!  

I have Blue Glow underneath a big Bismarck, with rain runoff from the driveway feeding it too.  As Silas said, that one is pretty tolerant of moisture.  For some color you could look at "Ripple Effect" if you can find one.  

As far as growth rate, 15 years to 1-2' of trunk seems...er...way too long.  4 of mine went from 3g in June 2018 (smaller than yours) to more trunk than the Mounts ones now.  The 5th one is a bit smaller, but I transplanted it in March 2019 because I planted it about 5 feet from my well's control box and water retention tank.  This one is the smallest of the bigger 4, just after a "hurricane cut" to reduce the crown last summer.  So that photo is almost exactly 7 years from a 3 gallon.

And here it is in June 2018 when I planted it:

Ok that makes me feel alot better. That looks as big as the ones planted 15 years ago. That would have been depressing to see no growth in such a long time. That’s good growth for less than 10 years. 
 

Heres what I plan on planting around the palm. Some dipledanias, cordyline, verigated ti and a calla lilly. 

[96720]

Your temperatures look good next to ours in Phoenix in my experience if your weather is anything close to ours the only thing you are planting in full sun that will survive is the calla lily very tough grows in full sun with lots of water but they do go dormant in the summer but as soon as fall comes around they comeback with vengeance!!! Will be interested in future updates to see how things survive!!!

[SCVpalmenthusiast]

2 minutes ago, 96720 said:

Your temperatures look good next to ours in Phoenix in my experience if your weather is anything close to ours the only thing you are planting in full sun that will survive is the calla lily very tough grows in full sun with lots of water but they do go dormant in the summer but as soon as fall comes around they comeback with vengeance!!! Will be interested in future updates to see how things survive!!!

Its hot but nowhere near as hot as Phoenix. We can hit the 100s but that’s usually during heat waves. It goes like this in So Cal. When a heat wave comes it brings 85 degrees in the beaches, 90s in the LA basin, and 100 in the inland valleys.

I stayed a summer in Phoenix when my bro lived there and it was 110+ every day. The other difference is that Phoenix like Vegas stays 100 at night, while our nights usually go down to the 70s. 

Its a hot valley to someone who lives near the coast where it can be 68 in July. But you would probably think its not that hot in comparison. It’s usually in the 90s from July to late September with a few days in the 100s during heat waves