Identification help please

[Cindy Adair]

I visited a collector’s amazing garden yesterday and he asked for help identifying two of his palms.

These are not likely to be native to Puerto Rico and #1 was probably purchased years ago from someone who had traveled to Cuba and elsewhere to collect seed. 

I am sure I don’t grow either of these species and thus hesitate to guess. 

Palm #1

 

Note fruit.

 

Palm #2

On a steep muddy slope and with impressive teeth.

Thanks so much for your identification help!

 

 

[tim_brissy_13]

First one Syagrus sp. at a guess maybe S oleracea. 
 

Second not sure but maybe Livistona saribus. 

[Cindy Adair]

Thank you! Those were my guesses too but I am not great at palm identification. 

[Harry’s Palms]

Syagrus would’ve been my guess as well on the first one but would not have had a clue to species. The second one stumped me but I remember seeing a similar leaf pattern on a palm that was posted here. Both are very nice palms . Harry

[happypalms]

Syagrus picrophylla, and Tim’s on the money saribus!

[tim_brissy_13]

44 minutes ago, happypalms said:

Syagrus picrophylla, and Tim’s on the money saribus!

Actually I think you’re probably right Richard. S oleracea and S picrophylla have at times been considered one and the same species, but picrophylla distinguished by its smaller orange/brown fruits which this appears to have. I would say that because there are only a few fruits that they may not be fully formed so I’m not sure we could be 100%, but agree very likely S picrophylla. 

[Fusca]

I've got seedlings of both Syagrus oleracea and picrophylla and would be happy if either one turned out like @Cindy Adair's!  😊  Here in South Texas L. saribus looks better with some shade.  Here's my green petiole form.

[Cindy Adair]

Thanks so much for the continuing conversation (and photos Fusca). I learn so much on PT!

[happypalms]

9 hours ago, tim_brissy_13 said:

Actually I think you’re probably right Richard. S oleracea and S picrophylla have at times been considered one and the same species, but picrophylla distinguished by its smaller orange/brown fruits which this appears to have. I would say that because there are only a few fruits that they may not be fully formed so I’m not sure we could be 100%, but agree very likely S picrophylla. 

I was lucky enough to see a nice little grove of them once, nice palm I got a few seeds that day as well and had a bit of luck germinating a few. 
Even @palmtreesforpleasure was interested in one the seedlings, and if I can impress him iam doing pretty good I think!