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Now it is suckering but I do see a split in one of the stems, along with the red petiole and spear (new fronds are reddish) 

 

This is pretty surprising to me because these are often labeled as lutes, but an entire city misidentifying a very common plant is not newIMG_20260104_154919.thumb.jpg.11444a9109855acbf97cee7ca251d0bb.jpgIMG_20260104_154917.thumb.jpg.4e7c3763d4acd01c8c7d7040468318a7.jpg

Posted

Hard to be 100% confident but that looks typical of C lutescens to me. 

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Tim Brisbane

Patterson Lakes, bayside Melbourne, Australia

Rarely Frost

2005 Minimum: 2.6C,  Maximum: 44C

2005 Average: 17.2C, warmest on record.

Posted
1 hour ago, tim_brissy_13 said:

Hard to be 100% confident but that looks typical of C lutescens to me. 

Oh ok... And it doesn't seem like there is any reliable way to tell a lutescens and an arenarum apart, since I have seen lutescens splitting...? And fruits are too difficult since I am not able to be observing one single palm every single month

Posted

Yeah, a tough call to be sure at that age. Arenarium definitely seem to have a much more maroon “push“ when young. But they’re obviously closely aligned with lutecsens. Most of the ones posted also seem to cluster similarly. The one I have (via Floribunda), which purchased about 14 years ago, remained solitary and is a moderate size palm currently about 25 feet in height. If I were to drive by it in someone else’s garden, I would think “lutecsens”. Interestingly, that palm has been seeding for a number of years, while a similarly aged lutecsens clump has not. 

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Bret

 

Coastal canyon area of San Diego

 

"In the shadow of the Cross"

Posted

Looks like a lutty to me too. Here’s a photo of a arenarum inflorescence and a lutescens. That would be a sure fire way to see what you got. Note the trunk color in the photos I posted too. Arenarum has a darker trunk where lutescens has a much lighter one.  I will add that arenarum isn’t a common palm so it you see one on the street it’s a 99% chance that it’s a lutty. 
 

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"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

Posted
4 hours ago, Stevetoad said:

Looks like a lutty to me too. Here’s a photo of a arenarum inflorescence and a lutescens. That would be a sure fire way to see what you got. Note the trunk color in the photos I posted too. Arenarum has a darker trunk where lutescens has a much lighter one.  I will add that arenarum isn’t a common palm so it you see one on the street it’s a 99% chance that it’s a lutty. 
 

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Hmm ok! Because I thought I saw a few arenarums, but maybe they were just all lutescens at the end of the day. 

 

I have another one I marked down as a pembana but I am not too sure, it isn't the highest quality image anywayIMG_20251011_143951.thumb.jpg.ea8bbbaed28abe589db63ef6c9e7e4cd.jpg

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1 hour ago, ne0ndrxft said:

Hmm ok! Because I thought I saw a few arenarums, but maybe they were just all lutescens at the end of the day. 

 

I have another one I marked down as a pembana but I am not too sure, it isn't the highest quality image anywayIMG_20251011_143951.thumb.jpg.ea8bbbaed28abe589db63ef6c9e7e4cd.jpg

I think you’re  right. 

"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

Posted
7 hours ago, Stevetoad said:

I think you’re  right. 

Ok then, thanks! 

Posted

It is tricky to see differences between C arenarum and C lutescens because they have similar traits and C lutescens especially can be variable. From what I’ve seen, I’d say this is what I look for:

Emergent spear colour: C arenarum- always red/maroon. C lutescens - variable from slightly red to green. Even if red, it’s usually not as striking as C arenarum and colour is only on recently exposed spear at the base near the growth point. 
 

Trunk: C arenarum- when young, usually a blue/green with a silvery sheen. When older, colour darkens. C lutescens - variable especially depending on sun exposure and climate but ranges from a blue/green similar to C arenarum all the way through to golden yellow. 
 

Growth habit: C arenarum- fronds and trunks generally more upright. New stems form by splitting at the growth point. C lutescens - trunks arch away from each other more and fronds arch further down towards horizontal. Clumping habit generally more dense although this is variable and there are solitary specimens. New stems form via new shoots at ground level, splitting at growth point or aerial branches. 
 

A couple of photos of mine which may or may not help:

C arenarum:

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C lutescens:

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Tim Brisbane

Patterson Lakes, bayside Melbourne, Australia

Rarely Frost

2005 Minimum: 2.6C,  Maximum: 44C

2005 Average: 17.2C, warmest on record.

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