Embarrassing palm ID request

[Than]

I should be able to ID this quickly by now but.. 

Looks like sylvestris but I'm not sure. It's in my town, in southern Greece, about 2 km from the sea.

 

[John2468]

Looks like a Phoenix canariensis x reclinata hybrid.

[Darold Petty]

Than, don't be embarrassed.  The only embarrassing trait is lack of curiosity. 

[Mazat]

50 minutes ago, Than said:

I should be able to ID this quickly by now but.. 

Looks like sylvestris but I'm not sure. It's in my town, in southern Greece, about 2 km from the sea.

 

A beautiful Phoenix dactylifera, in my opinion.

Great photo, Than 😃

Where is this?

Curiosity is always good in such matters.

 

[Than]

45 minutes ago, Mazat said:

A beautiful Phoenix dactylifera, in my opinion.

Great photo, Than 😃

Where is this?

Curiosity is always good in such matters.

 

Nah I don't think it's a date palm. The fronds would be much longer and arching. It's in Kalamata.

[SCVpalmenthusiast]

Looks like a senegal date palm Pheonix reclinata. 

[96720]

Phoenix reclinata is a clumping palm and if you worked to make it a single the trunk would be much thinner!!

[tim_brissy_13]

Well no 2 IDs the same yet from the Palmtalk community so definitely far from an embarrassing question. 
 

I’d be very confident there’s P canariensis influence in this one, but I think it’s a hybrid too. John’s P canariensis x reclinata guess seems reasonable to me. 

[Janni]

Looks like a phoenix hybrid to me. Most likely canariensis x dactylifera, because you don‘t find other phoenix species in Greece than those two (and roebellenii)

[Than]

17 minutes ago, Janni said:

Looks like a phoenix hybrid to me. Most likely canariensis x dactylifera, because you don‘t find other phoenix species in Greece than those two (and roebellenii)

How would mixing two species with long fronds produce one with such a short, compact crown? 

[sonoranfans]

Surely a hybrid, sylvestris is a smaller relatively thin trunked palm that doesn't grow so tall and has a smaller crown with less rigid petioles.  I cant add anything new to the hybrid ID.  The dactylifera have biplanar leaf arrangements, that one almost appears a flat arrangement as a CIDP would be.  This could be a hybrid crossed several times.  I see many more sylvestris hybrids than pure sylvestris here in florida.

[Tomas]

21 hours ago, Janni said:

Looks like a phoenix hybrid to me. Most likely canariensis x dactylifera, because you don‘t find other phoenix species in Greece than those two (and roebellenii)

I would say the same about the hybrids in Rome, most probably canariensis x dactylifera, considering the frequency of the parents

[Than]

22 minutes ago, Tomas said:

I would say the same about the hybrids in Rome, most probably canariensis x dactylifera, considering the frequency of the parents

There is actually a tropical palm enthusiast who lives in the town and he has convinced the town council to plant some rare species. The town is now adorned with Bauhinias, Erythrinas, even a couple of Kigelias. In his own property he has Arch. alexandrae, Wodyetia, coffea arabica etc. So I suspect that he could be behind this palm too! 

[Tomas]

1 hour ago, Than said:

There is actually a tropical palm enthusiast who lives in the town and he has convinced the town council to plant some rare species. The town is now adorned with Bauhinias, Erythrinas, even a couple of Kigelias. In his own property he has Arch. alexandrae, Wodyetia, coffea arabica etc. So I suspect that he could be behind this palm too! 

This palm may be well over one hundred years old!

[TropicsEnjoyer]

I would say canary x dacty or canary x sylvestris

No reclinata since it lacks clumping and has a decently thick trunk. At least in my opinion. I saw a similar looking palm in pompeii when I traveled there but unfortunately I didnt get a picture.