Syagrus romanzoffiana has problems

[Mazat]

We took it off the balcony and changed the substrate again.

A mixture of perlite and coconut fiber and a little potting soil.

Not sure if it will fully recover 🤔☹️

[Harry’s Palms]

Yea , chances are slim on that one . You will know for sure soon enough. These take a long time to germinate here in Southern California . They stay in the juvenile stage for a few years . Most of the ones I have sprouting in my garden are volunteers from fallen fruit . They show up in potted plants or just about anywhere there is moisture. 
  Do you have access to seeds there ? Harry

[happypalms]

Overpotted and overwatered. It looks doomed! 

[Mazat]

16 hours ago, Harry’s Palms said:

Yea , chances are slim on that one . You will know for sure soon enough. These take a long time to germinate here in Southern California . They stay in the juvenile stage for a few years . Most of the ones I have sprouting in my garden are volunteers from fallen fruit . They show up in potted plants or just about anywhere there is moisture. 
  Do you have access to seeds there ? Harry

Thank you very much for your information and explanations, Harry.

No, we don't have any good addresses apart from RPS. Some seeds of Syagrus romanzoffiana, and others that Otto will bring towards the end of the week, are originally from Portugal. He takes them and others with him on business trips, so the costs remain reasonable ...

 

 

[Than]

I agree with @happypalms ; at this stage a pot the size of a plastic cup would do. It will be very difficult to dry out that medium.. I don't know if some mild fungicide would help?

[Mazat]

7 hours ago, happypalms said:

Overpotted and overwatered. It looks doomed! 

It originally came in a relatively large pot...

Then we planted it out, overwintered it on the balcony, repotted it, and then today ☹️

[Mazat]

8 minutes ago, Than said:

I agree with @happypalms ; at this stage a pot the size of a plastic cup would do. It will be very difficult to dry out that medium.. I don't know if some mild fungicide would help?

I think that's a good idea, Than 🤗

Thank you very much. It's strange, but now there's very good light.

I'll put it in a small pot and look at the roots 

 

[happypalms]

1 hour ago, Mazat said:

I think that's a good idea, Than 🤗

Thank you very much. It's strange, but now there's very good light.

I'll put it in a small pot and look at the roots 

 

It’s amazing there the biggest weed I  have ever seen in my area. There are thousands upon thousands of seeds just on the palm in my neighbour’s garden. How many do you want? I don’t have any growing in my garden thankfully but there a weed throughout my property due to the neighbours trees. A romanzoffiana seedling would live for years in a tube there so tough!

[Mazat]

1 hour ago, happypalms said:

It’s amazing there the biggest weed I  have ever seen in my area. There are thousands upon thousands of seeds just on the palm in my neighbour’s garden. How many do you want? I don’t have any growing in my garden thankfully but there a weed throughout my property due to the neighbours trees. A romanzoffiana seedling would live for years in a tube there so tough!

Richard, that would really be best. The seeds your neighbor has are most likely better 🤗, without being disrespectful. 

[happypalms]

16 minutes ago, Mazat said:

Richard, that would really be best. The seeds your neighbor has are most likely better 🤗, without being disrespectful. 

You’re welcome to as many as you like, in fact how many do you want? 

[Mazat]

33 minutes ago, happypalms said:

You’re welcome to as many as you like, in fact how many do you want? 

First i thought 80, but 40 seeds would also be good👍

[happypalms]

4 minutes ago, Mazat said:

First i thought 80, but 40 seeds would also be good👍

Done I will get onto those craft work beads for you🤣

[Mazat]

6 minutes ago, happypalms said:

Done I will get onto those craft work beads for you🤣

😁, thank you very much 🤗, Richard 

[Than]

I also collected seeds from the pavements in a town called Nafplio, near Athens. They sprouted super fast. 

[Mazat]

4 hours ago, Than said:

I also collected seeds from the pavements in a town called Nafplio, near Athens. They sprouted super fast. 

A very special city that seems familiar to me. And I know why. Otto von Bäyern Germany was, I believe, the Greek king there in the 1800s. My friend Otto happened to have business near this city and told me this story...

He found the whole atmosphere there wonderful.
Did you get a lot of seeds, or rather, were you able to take them with you?

[Than]

6 minutes ago, Mazat said:

A very special city that seems familiar to me. And I know why. Otto von Bäyern Germany was, I believe, the Greek king there in the 1800s. My friend Otto happened to have business near this city and told me this story...

He found the whole atmosphere there wonderful.
Did you get a lot of seeds, or rather, were you able to take them with you?

You are right. Otto was Greece's first king and he did love it a lot indeed. He asked to be buried in Greek clothes. However Nafplio was the capital only for a year after his arrival. He decided it should be moved to Athens cos it was, you know, cooler.

[Mazat]

15 minutes ago, Than said:

You are right. Otto was Greece's first king and he did love it a lot indeed. He asked to be buried in Greek clothes. However Nafplio was the capital only for a year after his arrival. He decided it should be moved to Athens cos it was, you know, cooler.

Wow, history is very exciting. Otto wanted to study it because it had always fascinated him. Me too, because it's exciting when someone can tell stories as vividly as he does. We spend long evenings enjoying good food and interesting discussions. It's a shame that his partner isn't very interested in this more in modern art and cooking, but I and other friends are all the more so, and Sabine also appreciates it very much.

[Mazat]

Repotted in a much smaller pot and only slightly moist soil.

[Phoenikakias]

You need as much bottom heat as possible, if this poor creature should have a slight chance of recovery!

[happypalms]

24 minutes ago, Phoenikakias said:

You need as much bottom heat as possible, if this poor creature should have a slight chance of recovery!

I already mentioned bottom heating in a pm to @Mazat  it’s  a game changer bottom heating! 

[Than]

11 hours ago, Mazat said:

Repotted in a much smaller pot and only slightly moist soil.

It still seems too big to me. Try bottom heat as the more experienced growers mentioned above. You can get an inexpensive heat mat from a pet shop even.

[Phoenikakias]

On 11/12/2025 at 6:16 PM, Mazat said:

Wow, history is very exciting. Otto wanted to study it because it had always fascinated him. Me too, because it's exciting when someone can tell stories as vividly as he does. We spend long evenings enjoying good food and interesting discussions. It's a shame that his partner isn't very interested in this more in modern art and cooking, but I and other friends are all the more so, and Sabine also appreciates it very much.

There is an affiliated Bavarian village in the outskirts of Munich with Nauplia. It is called Ottobrunn, it is the place, wherefrom King Otto began his trip to Greece.

[Mazat]

13 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

You need as much bottom heat as possible, if this poor creature should have a slight chance of recovery!

Yes, Konstantinos. We will order it.

Thank you very much for your input. 

[Mazat]

13 hours ago, happypalms said:

I already mentioned bottom heating in a pm to @Mazat  it’s  a game changer bottom heating! 

Yes, Richard, you are right. Thank you very much for your explinations and informations.

Without it, it's too difficult.

 

[Mazat]

6 hours ago, Than said:

It still seems too big to me. Try bottom heat as the more experienced growers mentioned above. You can get an inexpensive heat mat from a pet shop even.

Thank you very much, Than 🤗.

Yes inexpensive is better Option for us at the moment ...

[Hu Palmeras]

In winter, try to protect it with frost netting and give it a dose of amino acids diluted in water.