happypalms Another day in paradise in the garden

[happypalms]

12 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

I have one growing in full sun and I love it. It is perhaps my favorite Sabal in the garden, because it looks quite different from the rest. Unfortunately not very resistant to wind but even so it retains an interesting figure. In a worrying incident during past warm season it had its youngest fully developed frond dried out almost up to half the length of its petiole and further growth stalled. This has signaled a loud alarm in my mind, because it could be a symptom of rhizoctonia, which had killed many other smaller Sabal specimens around with similar initial symptoms. So I had to resort to very radical measures, I had nothing to lose anyway. I drenched the soil around the plant with 10 lt water containing 400 gr tolclofos-methyl. This is a horrific amount of fungicide. But no other young frond has died ever since and plant was growing all summer long at snail's pace but it was growing nonetheless! As weather has progressively cooled up and rainfalls started, plant has taken off and a huge new leaf has unfolded.

They are tough being a Sabal, interesting you noted the rhizoctonia, I had a Kerriodoxa in the ground do the same symptoms. Sometimes you just have to use chemicals like it or not. Wind gives them a tattered look I seen one in Sydney Australia and it looked shabby due to the wind damage. But I will be looking into the rhizoctonia symptoms you suggested, it seems to one of those fungal diseases that strikes anytime it wants I have noticed as soon as it warms up at the end of winter it strikes. Glad to hear your palm recovered it’s 50/50 the survival rate with that fungus. Thanks for the information.

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On 12/9/2025 at 1:00 AM, Harry’s Palms said:

Nice understory palms in your jungle that will appreciate the company of the larger plants. Harry

There magical little palms and I have been told they will set seeds one day, iam choosing certain varieties of palms to plant for both ornamental affect and seed! 
Richard 

[Than]

I've heard these can take a couple of degrees below freezing.. anyone knows? When established ofc.

[tim_brissy_13]

50 minutes ago, Than said:

I've heard these can take a couple of degrees below freezing.. anyone knows? When established ofc.

I’ve got a couple of small seedlings in the ground. One has been in the ground for 3 years, the other only 1 winter. The older one has seen down to -1.5C/29F without damage but it does have overhead canopy. They are both still quite small and slow growing in my climate but already attractive palms. 

[Than]

1 minute ago, tim_brissy_13 said:

I’ve got a couple of small seedlings in the ground. One has been in the ground for 3 years, the other only 1 winter. The older one has seen down to -1.5C/29F without damage but it does have overhead canopy. They are both still quite small and slow growing in my climate but already attractive palms. 

Do you know how many hours roughly the temperature was at that point, -1 or -1.5?

[tim_brissy_13]

32 minutes ago, Than said:

Do you know how many hours roughly the temperature was at that point, -1 or -1.5?

I do remember the night. It got down to about 3C the previous evening so was very chilly for 12+ hours. Without having the records in front of me I’d guess it was freezing for 4-5 hours and below -1C for 1-2 hours. 

[Than]

9 minutes ago, tim_brissy_13 said:

I do remember the night. It got down to about 3C the previous evening so was very chilly for 12+ hours. Without having the records in front of me I’d guess it was freezing for 4-5 hours and below -1C for 1-2 hours. 

Thanks. I think I'll buy one and fingers crossed.

[happypalms]

13 hours ago, Than said:

Thanks. I think I'll buy one and fingers crossed.

Try and get the large form. Or the solar eclipse var much better looking!

[Tyrone]

Lovely palm. I’ve got a few in pots here.
 

I was in Vietnam in 2019 and saw many Lanonia in Bach Ma not far from Danang. They’re gorgeous palms. 

[Than]

4 hours ago, happypalms said:

Try and get the large form. Or the solar eclipse var much better looking!

RPS they are from China. No clue which variety. 

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5 hours ago, Tyrone said:

Lovely palm. I’ve got a few in pots here.
 

I was in Vietnam in 2019 and saw many Lanonia in Bach Ma not far from Danang. They’re gorgeous palms. 

Lucky bloke seeing them in habitat!

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3 hours ago, Than said:

RPS they are from China. No clue which variety. 

You may find there not all from china those seeds. 

[Phoenikakias]

On 12/9/2025 at 9:32 PM, happypalms said:

They are tough being a Sabal, interesting you noted the rhizoctonia, I had a Kerriodoxa in the ground do the same symptoms. Sometimes you just have to use chemicals like it or not. Wind gives them a tattered look I seen one in Sydney Australia and it looked shabby due to the wind damage. But I will be looking into the rhizoctonia symptoms you suggested, it seems to one of those fungal diseases that strikes anytime it wants I have noticed as soon as it warms up at the end of winter it strikes. Glad to hear your palm recovered it’s 50/50 the survival rate with that fungus. Thanks for the information.

Richard, I have had the opportunity to take yesterday some pictures of mine focusing mainly to its disease and subsequent recovery...

lower  petiole-part of an older leaf missing entirely lamina and distal half of it, they had dried out during past summer and were removed. Actually by that time almost the whole apparent leaf was removed and fresh rump petiole emerged later.

Subsequent new healthy growth

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12 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

Richard, I have had the opportunity to take yesterday some pictures of mine focusing mainly to its disease and subsequent recovery...

lower  petiole-part of an older leaf missing entirely lamina and distal half of it, they had dried out during past summer and were removed. Actually by that time almost the whole apparent leaf was removed and fresh rump petiole emerged later.

Subsequent new healthy growth

Glad to see it recovered be a shame to lose a glorious palm like the one you have there. Do you know what the cause was of the disease? 

[happypalms]

With basically an unlimited supply of adscendens seeds I have about 500 in the greenhouse at different stages of growth. They are my favourite chamaedorea and are hard beat for sheer beauty and colour, only my metallicas come close to them. 
And with around 50 mature ones in the garden iam certainly glad I planted them 25 years ago, and this new batch of babies are destined for the same treatment only on mass this time! 

[gyuseppe]

Richard, I had small plants that didn't have time to grow, but if you say it's your favorite chamaedorea, there must be a reason. For now, my favorite is Ernesti-augusti. I've sown both seeds of this species (the seeds of Adscendens were given to me by a person from Australia, so it's better not to mention his name!)

[peachy]

I lost 2 of my adscendens and the remaining one is strong and healthy but no pretty shades of green as yet. It will be getting planted very soon however.  I love my little Ernies, they grow so quickly and really thrive in this climate. My oldest one is now 1.35 cm after only 2 years in the ground.  You can't plant the Addy in the photo either as it has been sold and will be moving to Qld.

Peachy

[Harry’s Palms]

They look like very nice additions to the understory . Like others , I love my Ernie’s! I haven’t stumbled onto any C. Adscendens  yet but when I do….they are coming home with me. Harry

[happypalms]

Here’s a few pics that well end up the cutting room floor, the ones they don’t want you to see. Every grower has them and if you don’t you’re not a real grower. 
We try our best to grow the best, but Mother Nature has a way of saying try as you must even I have dead plants she says.  But it certainly looks a lot better once you get in and clean it up! Iam sure there are some real messed up grow shows out there until we get around to fixing them! Especially when it’s a hobby and you have a life to live and a job on top that with work taking up most of you life, but the bills have to be paid, but one gets tired of making someone else’s the money when working and all you want to do is work for yourself, one day I will retire! 

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23 hours ago, gyuseppe said:

Richard, I had small plants that didn't have time to grow, but if you say it's your favorite chamaedorea, there must be a reason. For now, my favorite is Ernesti-augusti. I've sown both seeds of this species (the seeds of Adscendens were given to me by a person from Australia, so it's better not to mention his name!)

I have a couple of seeds of metallic I was going to pick but with the silly season upon us and delays in posting over Xmas I will hold of picking them. I shall wait until the new year to harvest those seeds. They are one the best Chams in my garden the only drawback is that the ones that get a long stem lose some of that appeal for me, I like them small squat appearance. 

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16 hours ago, Harry’s Palms said:

They look like very nice additions to the understory . Like others , I love my Ernie’s! I haven’t stumbled onto any C. Adscendens  yet but when I do….they are coming home with me. Harry

They are a welcome addition that’s for sure, I think there’s a grower near you that should have some adscendens very soon, you have purchased from this grower before. 
Richard 

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22 hours ago, peachy said:

I lost 2 of my adscendens and the remaining one is strong and healthy but no pretty shades of green as yet. It will be getting planted very soon however.  I love my little Ernies, they grow so quickly and really thrive in this climate. My oldest one is now 1.35 cm after only 2 years in the ground.  You can't plant the Addy in the photo either as it has been sold and will be moving to Qld.

Peachy

Yes I saw I made a sale on peachys palm paradise, and I received the payment already for that cute little addy. Keep on planting those palms because there more they came from at halfway creek.

Richard 

[Nico971]

Some loss I can’t even explain. Lost all my D baronii black petiole. Exact same conditions and potting mix as my Onihalensis, faneva, etc. 
 

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1 hour ago, happypalms said:

Yes I saw I made a sale on peachys palm paradise, and I received the payment already for that cute little addy. Keep on planting those palms because there more they came from at halfway creek.

Richard 

Ps my possum merry Xmas the little addy can be your Xmas present 🎁 lots of ☮️love from happypalms 

[donpachino1983]

Wowowo  this sucks. Sorry

[Harry’s Palms]

Whoopsie! Sometimes it happens where certain areas don’t get the attention they need or Mother Nature has other plans . I haven’t kept potted seedlings in quite a while but now I have some and they require constant attention. When they are in the ground a while they are much more forgiving. I am still working at my shop 4-5 days a week , spending time with my wife and socializing . Dealing with health issues from my broken hip , etc.  

      Neglecting plants isn’t always from oversight or laziness , it’s called life . You do a great job and although it seems like a loss , your wins far outnumber the few poor plants I see in the photos. Maintaining the size of operation you have is quite the feat. You are human! Harry

[guillerman]

RIP 🙏 - can relate to this one, just lost a good number of small Chambeyronia hookeri because 1-2 days of crazy sun when it wasn´t supose to come. Can´t ever be too prepared...

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8 hours ago, Nico971 said:

Some loss I can’t even explain. Lost all my D baronii black petiole. Exact same conditions and potting mix as my Onihalensis, faneva, etc. 
 

Yep you get the ones that are just not going to make!

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7 hours ago, donpachino1983 said:

Wowowo  this sucks. Sorry

That’s growing for you the good with the bad.

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5 hours ago, Harry’s Palms said:

Whoopsie! Sometimes it happens where certain areas don’t get the attention they need or Mother Nature has other plans . I haven’t kept potted seedlings in quite a while but now I have some and they require constant attention. When they are in the ground a while they are much more forgiving. I am still working at my shop 4-5 days a week , spending time with my wife and socializing . Dealing with health issues from my broken hip , etc.  

      Neglecting plants isn’t always from oversight or laziness , it’s called life . You do a great job and although it seems like a loss , your wins far outnumber the few poor plants I see in the photos. Maintaining the size of operation you have is quite the feat. You are human! Harry

Yes life gets in the way family, work day to day living, and as you say health issues. 
We all do our best yet sometimes it get a bit overwhelming, I look outside sometimes and think it’s a mess in the yard yet I have been at work and not at home running around who made that mess. 
There are only so many hours in a day and we are all entitled to having a rest as well, oh the joys of life. 
Seedlings do require a lot of time I guess like children until they are grown up. 
And to top it off I go and get another hernia a femoral one this time I kept telling the doctors!

Richard 

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5 hours ago, guillerman said:

RIP 🙏 - can relate to this one, just lost a good number of small Chambeyronia hookeri because 1-2 days of crazy sun when it wasn´t supose to come. Can´t ever be too prepared...

Oh yeah half the time you wonder if you’re a grower or plant destroying machine. Weather can have big impact on growing performance, one hot scorching day when you’re out and having to forget to water due to life issues it can get quite annoying!

[Harry’s Palms]

7 hours ago, happypalms said:

Yes life gets in the way family, work day to day living, and as you say health issues. 
We all do our best yet sometimes it get a bit overwhelming, I look outside sometimes and think it’s a mess in the yard yet I have been at work and not at home running around who made that mess. 
There are only so many hours in a day and we are all entitled to having a rest as well, oh the joys of life. 
Seedlings do require a lot of time I guess like children until they are grown up. 
And to top it off I go and get another hernia a femoral one this time I kept telling the doctors!

Richard 

Sorry to hear . That can be painful. I’ve never experienced it but have friends that have had surgery. Take care of that . Harry

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20 hours ago, Harry’s Palms said:

Sorry to hear . That can be painful. I’ve never experienced it but have friends that have had surgery. Take care of that . Harry

Life goes on with or without us, I kept telling the doctors they wouldnt listen! 
Richard 

[JohnAndSancho]

I get it. Every time I go see a doctor or a therapist or pretty much anybody who wears a lab coat or scrubs they find something wrong with me. Now they found out my neck is messed up, the hearing test lady is the one that told me the arteries to my brain are narrowing, and a physical therapist just looks at my feet and sees a circulatory problem. Anyway yeah. Life gets in the way and things happen. 

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4 hours ago, JohnAndSancho said:

I get it. Every time I go see a doctor or a therapist or pretty much anybody who wears a lab coat or scrubs they find something wrong with me. Now they found out my neck is messed up, the hearing test lady is the one that told me the arteries to my brain are narrowing, and a physical therapist just looks at my feet and sees a circulatory problem. Anyway yeah. Life gets in the way and things happen. 

Yep the joys of life hey John, can’t wait to get older, looking forward to all doctors appointments and scans oh and the pills, what a joy life is.🤣

[happypalms]

A few pics from the past! 

[donpachino1983]

Beautiful garden. Congratulations 😎

[John2468]

@happypalms What's this palm?

[JohnAndSancho]

5 hours ago, happypalms said:

Yep the joys of life hey John, can’t wait to get older, looking forward to all doctors appointments and scans oh and the pills, what a joy life is.🤣

Yeah man. I'm at the point where I've literally told them to either fix me, give me a diagnosis, or just take me out back and shoot me. I applied for SSDI (social security disability) in September and they're so backed up I "should" have an answer by July, and all the doctors can agree on is that I can't work and won't get better but they can't figure out what's wrong. The neuropathy is getting worse and they can't figure out why I keep having the vertigo attacks. They know it's real (they watched my eye movement) doing various exercises but they couldn't find a specific trigger, it just happens when it happens. Lying down, walking around, turning my head, sitting down, it happens but nothing specific seems to cause the attacks. It messes with my vision, I get really bad tinnitus and throbbing in my head and sometimes it lasts a few minutes and once it lasted 2 days and I never know when it's coming or how bad it's gonna be. I've blacked out a few times, and I'm the only one who drives or leaves the house. It's awesome lol. 

[Harry’s Palms]

Very nice garden pictures , Richard. That orchid is amazing! The palms and other tropicals look healthy . Harry