Chick FIl A Foxtails Palm Coast

[Golden10]

Newly planted foxtails at new built chick fil a in Palm Coast, FL. Interesting choice for 9b

[Maddox Gardening-youtube]

2 hours ago, Golden10 said:

Newly planted foxtails at new built chick fil a in Palm Coast, FL. Interesting choice for 9b

do you think they'll survive? I've seen some just not of that size in palm coast.

[kinzyjr]

11 hours ago, Maddox Gardening-youtube said:

do you think they'll survive? I've seen some just not of that size in palm coast.

They should for a while.  St. Johns Botanical Garden has a few of those and a Veitchia arecina that have been around a few years.  The founder is a CFPACS board member and should be at the meeting tomorrow.  He would be able to tell you if he protected those two species during the 2022 cold snaps.  I think @Scott W has a few that took 24F pretty well up in JAX.  Here is a map that shows 

Foxtails and their relatives (Adonidia, Carpentaria, and Veitchia), are notorious for having a large variation in cold tolerance.  You'll have a few that take damage at 35F and die at 30F and a few that will handle mid-high 20s.

A few links for reference:

• Cold Hardiness Master Data - most current version of the Excel file available near the bottom of page 2.
• January 2022 Florida Freeze Report 
• Florida Christmas Freeze 2022 

[JohnAndSancho]

Chick'n Minis are so underrated but somehow Chic Fil A is so overrated. My name is John and I rarely stay on topic. 

[SeanK]

2 hours ago, JohnAndSancho said:

Chick'n Minis are so underrated but somehow Chic Fil A is so overrated. My name is John and I rarely stay on topic. 

I'm surprised Chik-fil-A landscapes with palms.

[SeanK]

2 hours ago, kinzyjr said:

They should for a while.  St. Johns Botanical Garden has a few of those and a Veitchia arecina that have been around few a few years.  The founder is a CFPACS board member and should be at the meeting tomorrow.  He would be able to tell you if he protected those two species during the 2022 cold snaps.  I think @Scott W has a few that took 24F pretty well up in JAX.  Here is a map that shows 

Foxtails and their relatives (Adonidia, Carpentaria, and Veitchia), are notorious for having a large variation in cold tolerance.  You'll have a few that take damage at 35F and die at 30F and a few that will handle mid-high 20s.

A few links for reference:

• Cold Hardiness Master Data - most current version of the Excel file available near the bottom of page 2.
• January 2022 Florida Freeze Report 
• Florida Christmas Freeze 2022 

The botanical garden is pretty far from the ocean.

[kinzyjr]

3 minutes ago, SeanK said:

The botanical garden is pretty far from the ocean.

It isn't the mildest spot on the peninsula, but does benefit from a lot of mature tree canopy and the St. Johns River.  They also have a lot of volunteers that assist with covering the more tropical stuff.  We've been having meetings there since Fall 2018.  He likes to push the envelope with less hardy stuff and with desert flora.

For anyone interested, this thread captures some of the information as it transitioned from a personal garden to a botanical garden:

https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/71456-st-johns-botanical-garden-hastings-fl/

They're having a celebration for their 2nd year open on November 1st, 2025 as well:

https://www.stjohnsbotanicalgarden.org/event/2nd-anniversary-celebration/

In response to the original post and Maddox's comment above, if you want to read the first-hand account from Dr. Rossi about the December 2022 freeze:

https://cfpacs.com/org/wp-content/uploads/publications/2023/palmateer_2023_01_81.pdf

[happypalms]

Foxys grow so well in my climate. So common and used as street trees! 

[Harry’s Palms]

I am in 10a and they can be hit and miss . A friend planted two in front of his house 25 years ago . One died the first year , the other is huge and produces viable seed. I had two and one died after a year , the other got pretty large after ten years . Then , out of no where just started fading . It took quite a while but finally died . I had tried everything to save it . There was no frost that year , nothing I could figure out . Fifteen feet away , a healthy Roystonia Oleracae growing vigorously. Almost everyone I talk to has had similar experience with them , hit and miss . 
 I planted two baby ones in my courtyard about two years ago and they are doing well so far. I absolutely love this palm . Harry

[PalmatierMeg]

I wouldn't recommend Foxtails for 9b. Mine didn't die off right away when we had a couple lows around 30 about 15 years ago. But it began penciling the next spring and nothing I tried nutritionally helped a lick. Some months later a landscaper/palm lover stopped by to take a look at it. He told me it was infested with borers at the base of its trunk. I had him cut it down immediately and never replaced it. This palm is too needy and while a cold spell may not kill it in the moment, the cold triggers and inevitable decline leading to death. I'll also wager that neither that chicken joint nor its landlord will spring for spending a dime on care and maintenance of their foxtails. They should have planted Sabals

[Scott W]

18 hours ago, kinzyjr said:

.I think @Scott W has a few that took 24F pretty well up in JAX. 

Yeah, I had four that were grown from seed collected when we vacationed south to Treasure Island.  All four were in pots side by side, unprotected, when we had 24F low christmas weekend 2023.  Two fried and two stayed green as grass.  One I planted in ground under the oak canopy in the east side of my yard and the other is still potted.  Mind you the potted one is nearly 3 times the size of the inground one. 

[SeanK]

5 hours ago, PalmatierMeg said:

I wouldn't recommend Foxtails for 9b. Mine didn't die off right away when we had a couple lows around 30 about 15 years ago. But it began penciling the next spring and nothing I tried nutritionally helped a lick. Some months later a landscaper/palm lover stopped by to take a look at it. He told me it was infested with borers at the base of its trunk. I had him cut it down immediately and never replaced it. This palm is too needy and while a cold spell may not kill it in the moment, the cold triggers and inevitable decline leading to death. I'll also wager that neither that chicken joint nor its landlord will spring for spending a dime on care and maintenance of their foxtails. They should have planted Sabals

Usually these commercial outfits look to something low risk.

[Golden10]

Yes and this is just a small portion of the foxtails they planted. There are more