Can someone verify if the CIDP at the Fred Meyers in Medford is still there after the 24/25 winter? I don't think Medford got hit as hard as Northern Oregon. 

This might be great microclimate for it (building heat, hot summers, dry area, and some minor overhead protection) and might be a successful inland OR specimen. From earliest street views, it looks like someone just causally planted a seedling right there hoping it would become something.

If the link below doesn't work, it is located at 1301 Center Dr, Medford, OR 97501 at the SW entrance.

Link: Medford, Oregon - Google Maps

Cheers,

That is not a CIDP. That looks like a Dactylifera or true date palm.

If so, the odds are stacked even higher against it i.e. there are CIDP present in coastal Oregon, but not Dactylifera. The winters are probably too cool and wet there.

Overall, Dacty’s are not as hardy as CIDP. Unless it is quite a dry winter area, they will not take any kind of hard freezes. The wet-cold will do them in, unlike CIDP, which actually takes a ton of wet-cold, providing they don’t have back to back years with hard freezes in a wet-cool area. That is why CIDP does so well in southern England, yet Dacty’s struggle badly.

The coloration leads me to think it may even be P. dactylifera.

1 hour ago, UK_Palms said:

That is not a CIDP. That looks like a Dactylifera or true date palm.

If so, the odds are stacked even higher against it i.e. there are CIDP present in coastal Oregon, but not Dactylifera. The winters are probably too cool and wet there.

Overall, Dacty’s are not as hardy as CIDP. Unless it is quite a dry winter area, they will not take any kind of hard freezes. The wet-cold will do them in, unlike CIDP, which actually takes a ton of wet-cold, providing they don’t have back to back years with hard freezes in a wet-cool area. That is why CIDP does so well in southern England, yet Dacty’s struggle badly.

 

Mind you having just looked this up, it has done pretty well there. It was tiny back in 2015 and has grown a fair bit over the past decade or so. I know Oregon had some cold blasts in recent years as well. I also didn't realise it was so far south and close to the border with CA. So not overly surprising.

I assumed it wasn't a Dactylifera because it's Oregon., but you all are probably right. They would only have a chance in a place like Brookings but in any case, still really cool. I hope someone from that area see's this and can give an update on that palm. (Also I hope Freddie's doesn't wack it down)

Yes it does look like a dactylifera.  For those who don’t know Medford is a sunny, hot and very dry climate.  It’s a very brown colored place unlike areas west of the Cascades.  I’m not surprised to see it actually. 
They get a lot of nights below freezing but it is usually sunny and dry.  Daytime rebound is very good in winter.  
If I lived in Medford I would try all the Phoenix, Brahea and Nannarhops. Washingtonia do get big there.  

1 hour ago, Chester B said:

Yes it does look like a dactylifera.  For those who don’t know Medford is a sunny, hot and very dry climate.  It’s a very brown colored place unlike areas west of the Cascades.  I’m not surprised to see it actually. 
They get a lot of nights below freezing but it is usually sunny and dry.  Daytime rebound is very good in winter.  
If I lived in Medford I would try all the Phoenix, Brahea and Nannarhops. Washingtonia do get big there.  

Are there any good examples of large Washies in Medford that you know of?

It's an odd planting.

I wonder if someone was eating dates and discarded the pit in the mulch?

On 9/30/2025 at 12:44 PM, Zach K said:

Are there any good examples of large Washies in Medford that you know of?

One of the members here posted a big one they planted in Ashland which is a half zone colder than Medford.

*cracks knuckles* time to dig into the archives for that post

Here is the thread. @RylandDo you have any updates?

6 hours ago, NMPalmjunky said:

Here is the thread. @RylandDo you have any updates?

While Medford only gets 20" or so, most of it falls in winter.  

In the mild years from 2006 to 2017 here in far northeast Louisiana I grew three Phoenix species to great size— sylvestris, canariensis, and delactifera.  Only one species remains alive today— P delactifera— after a series of winters skirting with 6F to 10F lows.  It has survived because at least a few suckers remain unfrozen after every tough winter.  Funny thing is (by signs of visual condition in good times) it clearly is least suited of the three species to the other aspects of this climate.

Pics from black Friday.  Definitely P. dactylifera.

 

It has a couple of suckers coming up.

 

 

7 hours ago, Cody Salem said:

Pics from black Friday.  Definitely P. dactylifera.

It's looking quite healthy. I have visions of the mall grounds keepers butchering or removing it, once someone gets poked with it, & complains. 

On 11/28/2025 at 1:57 PM, Cody Salem said:

Pics from black Friday.  Definitely P. dactylifera.

 

 

That's exciting! If there's suckers than it must be doing well. I know Medford is dryer than Portland but my goodness who knew that the difference in moisture (and more summer heat) was such a deciding factor.

@Las Palmas Norte Stop having those visions😆I feel like that's all too realistic. 

5 hours ago, Zach K said:

@Las Palmas Norte Stop having those visions😆I feel like that's all too realistic.

I hear ya. I try to apply a realistic, all aspect approach in my personal life and that becomes evident as well in things like this. I suppose I've seen and heard of similar too many time in the past. Hopefully this palm is appreciated & cared for, and isn't removed.

23 hours ago, Zach K said:

That's exciting! If there's suckers than it must be doing well. I know Medford is dryer than Portland but my goodness who knew that the difference in moisture (and more summer heat) was such a deciding factor

It's like 60% less rain, further south so more intense sun and higher daily rebounds in temperature on nights that go below freezing.  Much different climate.  Medford is a candidate to try quite a few palms out.

Well in that case, I'm going to hunt down some washies in Medford on google maps. Wish me luck!

1 hour ago, Zach K said:

Well in that case, I'm going to hunt down some washies in Medford on google maps. Wish me luck!

You should be able to find some, they do exist there.  I have seen them when looking at Real estate in the area.  Another palm that might work there is Nannarrhops ritchiana, there's very few places these do well.

On 11/28/2025 at 10:57 PM, Cody Salem said:

Pics from black Friday.  Definitely P. dactylifera.

 

It has a couple of suckers coming up.

 

 

Amazing 🤔🤗

On 12/4/2025 at 11:36 AM, Chester B said:

... Another palm that might work there is Nannarrhops ritchiana, there's very few places these do well.

It would certainly be worth a try. Nannorrhops ritchiana might need an winter overhead canopy in the early years to establish there.