Phoenix reclinata - good progress

[Mazat]

Our Phoenix reclinata is growing steadily, slowly but surely.
Let's hope it stays that way...
How is your Phoenix reclinata doing this year ?
We look forward to seeing the pictures of yours. 

[Phoenikakias]

Hey Mazat, this baby has been raised from seed bought from rps. I have another one in the ground, which is rather big. Peculiarly it did not bloom this summer but still looks healthy. Perhaps soil is too dry for its increasing size and offshoots. I had not not pruned it though during past winter. After winter pruning is no more advisable or even legal, as it would equal an invitation to rpw.

[Mazat]

2 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

Hey Mazat, this baby has been raised from seed bought from rps. I have another one in the ground, which is rather big. Peculiarly it did not bloom this summer but still looks healthy. Perhaps soil is too dry for its increasing size and offshoots. I had not not pruned it though during past winter. After winter pruning is no more advisable or even legal, as it would equal an invitation to rpw.

Konstantinos, wow, she has grown wonderfully .

Good seeds are one thing, good care is another, and she gets both from you in an excellent way 🤗 

Besides, we're both excited to see when it blooms at your place.

[gyuseppe]

Mine too  phoenix reclinata comes from rarepalmseeds, and is now about 5 meters tall.

[Mazat]

1 hour ago, gyuseppe said:

Mine too  phoenix reclinata comes from rarepalmseeds, and is now about 5 meters tall.

Great, Gyuseppe. In that case, do you have some seeds every now and then?

[Fusca]

Mine is a reclinata hybrid that hasn't suckered yet.  Pollen doner is unknown but I suspect canariensis.  Any thoughts @Phoenikakias @gyuseppe?  Fronds were soft when it was given to me early last year but have since stiffened up.

[gyuseppe]

48 minutes ago, Mazat said:

Great, Gyuseppe. In that case, do you have some seeds every now and then?

no because I only have one female specimen and it flowers in July, and the other phoenixes flower in other months

In the photos, phoenix rupicola seeds, I have 3 in the garden, male and female

[Phoenikakias]

9 hours ago, Fusca said:

Mine is a reclinata hybrid that hasn't suckered yet.  Pollen doner is unknown but I suspect canariensis.  Any thoughts @Phoenikakias @gyuseppe?  Fronds were soft when it was given to me early last year but have since stiffened up.

I agree with your assessment, provided that circumstances support it (source of plant or seed from a region where both plants can and do  grow together, and overlapping even partially or even just adjacently of respective blooming seasons (pollen in dry regions may remain fertile in a limited scale even month(s) after dispersal).

[gyuseppe]

3 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

I agree with your assessment, provided that circumstances support it (source of plant or seed from a region where both plants can and do  grow together, and overlapping even partially or even just adjacently of respective blooming seasons (pollen in dry regions may remain fertile in a limited scale even month(s) after dispersal).

also I agree

[Harry’s Palms]

I have a large clump down the hill that produces seeds . Getting to the seeds would require a full body suit of armor! Harry

Next to the tall Washingtonia Robusta . Innocent looking from up here , but….…..down here you can see the threat of bodily harm ! ‘My plan is to cut most of the suckers off , leaving only a couple of the larger trunks . The main trunk in the middle of the clump is being surrounded by heavily armed suckers , nearly impenetrable. Every time I get near this thing , I come away with wounds! Trying to trim it is very difficult due to the slope. Harry

[Hu Palmeras]

These reclinata trees are beautiful, Harry. Their tremendous offspring are worthy clones of their mother palm. RPS sells a pure reclinata tree. Not hybrid seeds. The trunks are thinner. Whether hybrid or pure, the palm tree is beautiful.

[Phoenikakias]

2 hours ago, Hu Palmeras said:

These reclinata trees are beautiful, Harry. Their tremendous offspring are worthy clones of their mother palm. RPS sells a pure reclinata tree. Not hybrid seeds. The trunks are thinner. Whether hybrid or pure, the palm tree is beautiful.

Indeed this sp seems very promiscuous.  Nonetheless  Harry's specimen looks quite pure.

[Phoenikakias]

2 hours ago, Harry’s Palms said:

I have a large clump down the hill that produces seeds . Getting to the seeds would require a full body suit of armor! Harry

Next to the tall Washingtonia Robusta . Innocent looking from up here , but….…..down here you can see the threat of bodily harm ! ‘My plan is to cut most of the suckers off , leaving only a couple of the larger trunks . The main trunk in the middle of the clump is being surrounded by heavily armed suckers , nearly impenetrable. Every time I get near this thing , I come away with wounds! Trying to trim it is very difficult due to the slope. Harry

Now imagine that next to this palm grows a Trithrinax campestris! This is exactly the situation in my garden lol

[Phoenikakias]

@Harry’s Palms had the first picture you posted been taken recently? Because slope looks full of green grass, and if this is really the situation right after summer, it makes me jealous, as here landscape is still barren.

[Harry’s Palms]

Those photos are at least a year old. Not sure what time of year. Harry

[Mazat]

On 9/22/2025 at 10:51 PM, gyuseppe said:

no because I only have one female specimen and it flowers in July, and the other phoenixes flower in other months

In the photos, phoenix rupicola seeds, I have 3 in the garden, male and female

Wonderful, Gyuseppe. We are already interested in these seeds, and in the entire Phoenix family, which produces very beautiful palm trees, so to speak.

[Hu Palmeras]

Phoenix palms are the oldest and most ancient palm trees in existence, especially date palms, which are very important in terms of origins, history, religion, and eternity.

[Mazat]

9 minutes ago, Hu Palmeras said:

Phoenix palms are the oldest and most ancient palm trees in existence, especially date palms, which are very important in terms of origins, history, religion, and eternity.

🤗Wonderfully put, my friend Hugo.

[Mazat]

On 9/22/2025 at 10:44 PM, Fusca said:

Mine is a reclinata hybrid that hasn't suckered yet.  Pollen doner is unknown but I suspect canariensis.  Any thoughts @Phoenikakias @gyuseppe?  Fronds were soft when it was given to me early last year but have since stiffened up.

Another great example, Jon.🤗
 

[Hu Palmeras]

Thank you very much, my friend Mazat. I only wanted to tell the truth. I have two Medjool date palms. Scientific studies have revealed that Medjool and all North African date palms originate from a female date palm from the Middle East and a male Phoenix Theoprasti palm. This is how the Medjool was born. And Medjool is almost identical to the dates that germinated in Israel 2,000 years ago. They have the same flavor and appearance as Medjool, but a little more honey-like. That's what Israeli experts say. Yes, that's true. Medjool is a variation of the ancient Judean date palm.

[Mazat]

Since yesterday evening, we have been wondering even more which stings are stronger, i.e. more dangerous, those of a hybrid form or those of the pure Phoenix Reclinata.
We were both stung yesterday while tidying up the balcony a little, but neither Sabine nor I found it as bad as it is now with CIDP.

[Hu Palmeras]

Yes, you have to be careful. My date palms have stung me. They sting hard.

[Mazat]

6 minutes ago, Hu Palmeras said:

Thank you very much, my friend Mazat. I only wanted to tell the truth. I have two Medjool date palms. Scientific studies have revealed that Medjool and all North African date palms originate from a female date palm from the Middle East and a male Phoenix Theoprasti palm. This is how the Medjool was born. And Medjool is almost identical to the dates that germinated in Israel 2,000 years ago. They have the same flavor and appearance as Medjool, but a little more honey-like. That's what Israeli experts say. Yes, that's true. Medjool is a variation of the ancient Judean date palm.

Thank you very much for this information and explanation from you, my/our (Sabine included) friend Hugo. The story is truly amazing and exciting. No, we didn't know that you have two Medjool date palms. That's just wonderful. Here, they seem to struggle with the high humidity and wetness and probably a lack of light intensity and sunshine hours.
In any case, we will continue to try. 

[Hu Palmeras]

If I protect them indoors in winter, and in spring and summer they sunbathe,

[gyuseppe]

59 minutes ago, Mazat said:

Wonderful, Gyuseppe. We are already interested in these seeds, and in the entire Phoenix family, which produces very beautiful palm trees, so to speak.

Tom I sent you a private message
only problem: Switzerland isn't part of the European Union, but I'll try to find a way to get the seeds to you.

[Mazat]

On 9/23/2025 at 1:55 PM, Harry’s Palms said:

I have a large clump down the hill that produces seeds . Getting to the seeds would require a full body suit of armor! Harry

Next to the tall Washingtonia Robusta . Innocent looking from up here , but….…..down here you can see the threat of bodily harm ! ‘My plan is to cut most of the suckers off , leaving only a couple of the larger trunks . The main trunk in the middle of the clump is being surrounded by heavily armed suckers , nearly impenetrable. Every time I get near this thing , I come away with wounds! Trying to trim it is very difficult due to the slope. Harry

Yes, Harry. Be careful. Unfortunately, I also slipped down a slope towards some gooseberries, but luckily my friend Otto was there. He caught me, literally like a small child.
I'm always amazed at his strength. After all, I weigh 73 kg and he currently weighs 110 kg.
But he's built like a well-trained heavyweight boxer...

[Phoenikakias]

On 9/22/2025 at 8:14 PM, Mazat said:

Konstantinos, wow, she has grown wonderfully .

Good seeds are one thing, good care is another, and she gets both from you in an excellent way 🤗 

Besides, we're both excited to see when it blooms at your place.

Mazat Palmengenosse, here is my big reclinata, enjoy the pictures.

[gyuseppe]

Today, while I was taking a picture of my  Phoenix  reclinata, I noticed that it is not 5 meters high, but maybe 10 meters! It reaches up to the roof of the house.

[Hu Palmeras]

Congratulations, my friend Konstantinos. You have some beautiful Phoenix Reclinatas.

[UK_Palms]

Not a common palm at all, especially here in the UK.

This is the Reclinata at Tremenheere in Cornwall. It has got multiple side shoots making an impenetrable radius. I saw some seeds on it, which may be pollenated by a nearby Sylvestris, or one of their CIDP’s, but I didn’t want to die of blood loss getting them.

 

The nearby Sylvestris…

These have got to be the only reliably documented specimens of either species growing above 45N latitude, although I think there are some in London too. I know the Reclinata’s in the coastal regions of western France died from about -8C back in 2018.

[Hu Palmeras]

Phoenix Reclinata seeds, purchased from a store in England. Now I hope to buy the pure form of RPS Germany

[Phoenikakias]

2 hours ago, Hu Palmeras said:

Phoenix Reclinata seeds, purchased from a store in England. Now I hope to buy the pure form of RPS Germany

This sp is widespread along a vast area of Africa, so inevitably must be variation ithin form and many ecotypes. Not to mention natural hybridization.  This fact is also documented in the pictures posted by rps. Especially the first picture I bet my money that it shows a hybrid with roebelenii. Below my own hybrid reclinata x roebelenii

[Hu Palmeras]

Yes, I bought the pure Reclinata seeds, but they were sent to Argentina by mistake. And you have a good hybrid, my friend.

[gyuseppe]

1 hour ago, Phoenikakias said:

This sp is widespread along a vast area of Africa, so inevitably must be variation ithin form and many ecotypes. Not to mention natural hybridization.  This fact is also documented in the pictures posted by rps. Especially the first picture I bet my money that it shows a hybrid with roebelenii. Below my own hybrid reclinata x roebelenii

and this is roebelenii x reclinata

[Hu Palmeras]

They're beautiful. I like the Phoenix varieties. I have to buy Phoenix Rupicola seeds; they're gorgeous. And the Phoenix Silvestris Robusta variety. And the Phoenix Roebelenii Mekong. The hardest to find is the Phoenix Silvestris Robusta. I hope you can find them.

[happypalms]

I just couldn’t never get into the phoenix species, to many tropical beauty’s catching my attention. Or they just don’t appeal to me I think the trunk is just not what iam looking for, I guess climate dictates what can be grown and iam sure if Europe could grow iguanura varieties or arecas outside then they would take a back seat to to the more exotics that just won’t live outdoors in Europe. 

[Hu Palmeras]

Yes. Tropical palm trees are beautiful. These phoenixes have something special about them, Richard. You just have to discover them and take the time to get to know them, even if it's just a little.

[gyuseppe]

16 minutes ago, happypalms said:

I just couldn’t never get into the phoenix species, to many tropical beauty’s catching my attention. Or they just don’t appeal to me I think the trunk is just not what iam looking for, I guess climate dictates what can be grown and iam sure if Europe could grow iguanura varieties or arecas outside then they would take a back seat to to the more exotics that just won’t live outdoors in Europe. 

That's right, Richard, we have to make do with what we can grow, but phoenix rupicola and roebelenii they're beautiful

[UK_Palms]

Regarding Reclinata in London… I am still unsure whether this one is a Reclinata. If not, it is definitely a CIDP hybrid with something like Reclinata or Dactylifera due to the clumping nature…? 🤔

Street view images are 3 years old now. Darley Road in central London…

 

March 2018 street view right after the infamous ‘Beast from the East’ freeze, clearly showing a prominent side shoot. I suspect the side shoots have been cut back somewhat over the years. It looks like a CIDP to me, but CIDP are solitary and do not sucker. 🤔

[gyuseppe]

definitely hybrid