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Coccothrinax specie

Jeff Searle

By Jeff Searle
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Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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To this day, I have still been unable to find anyone that can help with the identification of this very rare Coccothrinax specie from Cuba. Forum member, President of the IPS, and co-author of An Encyclopedia of Cultivated PALMS, Paul Craft ( Licuala) was over the other day and looked at it another time. He said he has never seen this in habitat on any of his trips to Cuba.

  I bought this as a seedling about 15 years ago at the palm sale in Miami from Louise Futch, a long time palm society member from the Miami area. I would really like some help from anyone, with any suggestions.

Jeff

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Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

Jeff Searle Grand Master

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A close-up of the leaves, showing a shorter than normal length petiole. And the leaves are always held in an upright fashion.

Jeff

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Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

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Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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An old spent flower spike. It has produced only a handful of seeds over the years. If you look close, you can still see one old brown seed hanging on.

Jeff

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Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

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Jeff Searle Grand Master

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The last picture showing the Coccothrinax sp. "Short petiole" on left and a Lucothrinax morrisii on right.

Jeff

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Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

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Walter John Grand Master

Walter John

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Blowed if I know Jeff, very unusual. Speaking of Cocothrinax, I picked up two today for only 12 dollars each.

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Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

paulgila Grand Master

paulgila

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nice find,wal.

jeff never seen anything like that!

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

Ken Johnson Grand Master

Ken Johnson

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Jeff, Teddie Buhler had one too. May have gotten it from Louise. I thought it may be hemithrinax or an echmanii of some sort but nevrr could put my finger on it.

Ever sprout seeds?

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Gbarce Grand Master

Gbarce

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What's the closest palm that it resembles?  Maybe its just a mutation/variant of a known Species.

Gene

Manila, Philippines

53 feet above sea level - inland

Hot and dry in summer, humid and sticky monsoon season, perfect weather Christmas time

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Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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Ken,

   Is the plant that Teddy had still growing and if so, have you seen it lately and what size is it?

I have only I think 3 small plants from seed of this tree. (!-2 leaf seedlings) They are under guarded lock and key, and a couple of hungry pitbulls. :D

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

Eric in Orlando Grand Master

Eric in Orlando

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Thats interesting Jeff. we have a one similar that is accessioned as "Coccothrinax sp.". It was planted in 1985 so it survived the big 12/89 freeze here ( 2 nights at 19-20F). I was told it might be a stiff leaf form of C. argentata. It is slow growing with a dense crown;

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Eric

Orlando, FL

zone 9b/10a

Ken Johnson Grand Master

Ken Johnson

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That looks like it Eric. Where did you get it?

Jeff, I think Ziff owns the palm now.

We should see what Carlo thinks?

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BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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It is a fan palm torcherie....      (standing floor lamp)  :D

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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(Ken Johnson @ Dec. 22 2007,09:08)

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Bill, we should tourchyourbut for that answer:0

Hey!:D  It would make an awesome Art Deco style floor lamp!!!

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

mike in kurtistown Mentor

mike in kurtistown

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I'm sure that this has been considered and rejected, but the mystery palm is similar to pictures of Thrinax (Hemithrinax) ekmaniana in R&C. BTW, when did Thrinax morrissii become Lucothrinax? I'm sure it's correct, but where was this published, or has it been yet?

Mike Merritt

Big Island of Hawaii, windward, rainy side, 740 feet (225 meters) elevation

165 inches (4,200 mm) of rain per year, 66 to 83 deg F (20 to 28 deg C) in summer, 62 to 80 deg F (16.7 to 26.7 Deg C) in winter.

Carlo Morici Veteran

Carlo Morici

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Jeff, I have seen everything and anything about Coccothrinax in habitat and I think your plant might well be a "freak", such as Sabal Lisa, Chamaerops Vulcano or Trachycarpus Wagnerianus.

Anyway, I would like to get to the species, let's try. Please post pictures with details of your plant I need: blade with hastula (abaxial, adaxial), a fiber sheath spread open and details of the inflorescence/infructescence.

Does it seed seeds? Do seedlings come true?

Carlo

Jason in Orlando Experienced

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(Mike in Kurtisstown @ Dec. 22 2007,12:53)

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I'm sure that this has been considered and rejected, but the mystery palm is similar to pictures of Thrinax (Hemithrinax) ekmaniana in R&C. BTW, when did Thrinax morrissii become Lucothrinax? I'm sure it's correct, but where was this published, or has it been yet?

Adding on to the Lucothrinax question: What characteristics separated this species from the rest of the Thrinax genus?

Thanks in advance.

Jason

Skell's Bells

 

 

Inland Central Florida, 28N, 81W. Humid-subtropical climate with occasional frosts and freezes. Zone 9b.

Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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(Mike in Kurtisstown @ Dec. 22 2007,12:53)

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I'm sure that this has been considered and rejected, but the mystery palm is similar to pictures of Thrinax (Hemithrinax) ekmaniana in R&C. BTW, when did Thrinax morrissii become Lucothrinax? I'm sure it's correct, but where was this published, or has it been yet?

Mike,

    I thought it would cause questioning from some. When Paul was out the other day, he informed me that this palm specie only was leaving the Thrinax group and was getting it's own new genus name. Lucothrinax. It will be published sometime in the near future.

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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(Carlo Morici @ Dec. 22 2007,13:32)

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Jeff, I have seen everything and anything about Coccothrinax in habitat and I think your plant might well be a "freak", such as Sabal Lisa, Chamaerops Vulcano or Trachycarpus Wagnerianus.

Anyway, I would like to get to the species, let's try. Please post pictures with details of your plant I need: blade with hastula (abaxial, adaxial), a fiber sheath spread open and details of the inflorescence/infructescence.

Does it seed seeds? Do seedlings come true?

Carlo

Carlo,

    I will try to get a few pictures in a few days, after Christmas probably. I will do my best, with the camera I have.Like I said earlier, I did germinate only 3 seedlings, I think. And their still too small to tell if their going to look identical to the parent tree or not. Right now, there are no new flowers coming out, and it will probably be a few months until then.

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

Gileno Machado Grand Master

Gileno Machado

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Uhhhh...

Me want a floor lamp too... :)

Sirinhaém beach, 80 Km south of Recife - Brazil

Tropical oceanic climate, latitude 8° S

Temperature extremes: 25 to 31°C

2000 mm average rainfall, dry summers

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