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Pygmy Date Palm Cross Pollination


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Just curious if a Pygmy Date Palm has ever been cross pollinated by let's say a Canary Date Palm or Silver Date Palm?Â đŸ€”

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I know of a hybrid that was at Ventura College that was a product of John Tallman . He used to play around with that stuff. I can’t remember the cross but it involved a Roebelini and another , larger Phoenix species. It was like a small version date palm , larger than a Pygmy palm but smaller scale than Silvestri or the others . I don’t know if it is still there or not but it seems likely that this genus could hybridize. Harry

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Yea, all the time it happens that date palm species hybridize. They are just very receptive to any pollen from their genus and it is very easy for them to get mixed. Many people like to say that there are few “pure” sylvester’s now because of how mixed the gene pool is. 

Also, I personally believe that I own a pygmy x dacty, though the seedling is still not developed enough to be definitive.

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Phoenix palms are dioecious and therefore they hybridize easily.  I am currently growing a Phoenix roebelenii x loureiroi made by @Phoenikakias and a reclinata x theophrasti made by @Josue Diaz.  Once I bought what was labeled as Phoenix sylvestris (solitary palm) and a year later it started suckering!  Likely it was sylvestris x dactylifera.  Lots of interesting crosses can be made - my favorite is the roebelenii x rupicola at Leu Gardens.

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Jon Sunder

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2 hours ago, Rubberboots said:

Just curious if a Pygmy Date Palm has ever been cross pollinated by let's say a Canary Date Palm or Silver Date Palm?Â đŸ€”

Patrick Schafer actually creates and sells this hybrid:

Here's the story behind my hybrid:

 

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Jon Sunder

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@Harry’s Palms @TropicsEnjoyer I just rubbed a Canary flower out on my Pygmy...let's see if a mutant starts growing đŸ€ȘđŸ§đŸ˜”đŸ˜”â€đŸ’«đŸ™ˆđŸ‘€

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16 hours ago, Fusca said:

Phoenix palms are dioecious and therefore they hybridize easily.  I am currently growing a Phoenix roebelenii x loureiroi made by @Phoenikakias and a reclinata x theophrasti made by @Josue Diaz.  Once I bought what was labeled as Phoenix sylvestris (solitary palm) and a year later it started suckering!  Likely it was sylvestris x dactylifera.  Lots of interesting crosses can be made - my favorite is the roebelenii x rupicola at Leu Gardens.

I was rather lucky to have picked up for my garden a male and a female exemplary of the loureiroi x roebelenii hybrid.

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@Phoenikakias very nice...wonder what they look like with some trunkđŸ€”

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14 hours ago, Rubberboots said:

@Harry’s Palms @TropicsEnjoyer I just rubbed a Canary flower out on my Pygmy...let's see if a mutant starts growing đŸ€ȘđŸ§đŸ˜”đŸ˜”â€đŸ’«đŸ™ˆđŸ‘€

Are you sure that the CIDP is a male and the roebelenii is female?  Hopefully you'll get lucky (or rather the palms get lucky!)

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Jon Sunder

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1 hour ago, Fusca said:

Are you sure that the CIDP is a male and the roebelenii is female?  Hopefully you'll get lucky (or rather the palms get lucky!)

đŸ€Łyeah i saw a photo of some guy pollinating... so I sprinkled some white stuff from the flower on the Pygmy little eggs.đŸ˜†đŸ„Ž

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Im jealous. I have a lonely male sylvestris. Maybe in a few years when the pygmies grow up I can make a hybrid. but for now all his pollen is for the streets

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8 hours ago, Rubberboots said:

đŸ€Łyeah i saw a photo of some guy pollinating... so I sprinkled some white stuff from the flower on the Pygmy little eggs.đŸ˜†đŸ„Ž

Demian, if pollination works save some seeds for me, thanks, obviously when I have hybrid seeds I will remember you

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GIUSEPPE

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54 minutes ago, TropicsEnjoyer said:

Im jealous. I have a lonely male sylvestris. Maybe in a few years when the pygmies grow up I can make a hybrid. but for now all his pollen is for the streets

Keep me updated... would love a Pygmy Silver DwarfđŸ€˜đŸż@TropicsEnjoyer

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this discussion about the hybrids in the Phoenix family is very interesting.

we hope our two non-hybrid roebelinii are male and female and will flower this year.

but of course we are also interested in the various combinations of hybrids đŸ€—đŸ˜

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47 minutes ago, TropicsEnjoyer said:

Im jealous. I have a lonely male sylvestris. Maybe in a few years when the pygmies grow up I can make a hybrid. but for now all his pollen is for the streets

yes, that is a great pity â˜č

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14 hours ago, Rubberboots said:

@Phoenikakias very nice...wonder what they look like with some trunkđŸ€”

On the same line with present state, that is something intermediate (both in trunk's height and girth) between roebelenii and loureiroi.  Here's my loureiroi, it has a low trunk, thinner than that of a dactyliffera but thicker than that of reclinata and up to 2 m long fronds. You do need only an elementary imagining ability to figure out how an intermediate form as adult would look like.

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I have what I believe is roebelenii x dactylifera which is currently flowering here in the UK. I was hoping another one of my male phoenix might flower this year to be a pollen donor, but it was not to be.

 

I also have seedling of roebelenii x loireiroi (konstantinos cross).

 

to answer the question yes they hybridise very easily.

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29 minutes ago, Mishaq said:

I have what I believe is roebelenii x dactylifera which is currently flowering here in the UK. I was hoping another one of my male phoenix might flower this year to be a pollen donor, but it was not to be.

 

I also have seedling of roebelenii x loireiroi (konstantinos cross).

 

to answer the question yes they hybridise very easily.

If the hybrid is from my plant's seeds, then it must be the result of reverse cross (loureiroi x roebelenii).

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2 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

If the hybrid is from my plant's seeds, then it must be the result of reverse cross (loureiroi x roebelenii).

Which parent do you expect to dominate the phenotype?

so far it is not soft at all like roebelenii -  I expect it to turn out as a smaller loureiroi... 

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Normally in Phoenix dominant is rather the male parent's heritage, but not in an overwhelming manner. Many intermediate traits too.

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