Polyandrococus caudescens where are they on palm talk

[happypalms]

I have two absolutely beautiful caudescens in my garden. Planted about 23 years ago going through some tough conditions yet still looking good. Slow in my climate most likely due to the fact they love water. Regardless of name change they an absolute beauty of a palm worth growing in any garden if you have room. I just love the pattern on the new spear. So where are the others on palm talk I have never seen any iam sure there out there in palm land especially those lucky Hawaii growers. 

[PalmSam]

Wow beautiful palms, I have 3 very slow growing as well. I thought they liked being on the drier side? Do they like lots of water?

[happypalms]

  On 4/25/2025 at 8:41 AM, PalmSam said:

Wow beautiful palms, I have 3 very slow growing as well. I thought they liked being on the drier side? Do they like lots of water?

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From my experience they like water. Only in the last 5 years I have been really watering my garden in comparison to what I was doing and the difference is amazing. After the drought we had it rained for almost a year in my area and the difference I noticed was amazing from that wet season, I soon realised I was not watering enough real quick after that wet season.

[PalmSam]

  On 4/25/2025 at 8:49 AM, happypalms said:

From my experience they like water. Only in the last 5 years I have been really watering my garden in comparison to what I was doing and the difference is amazing. After the drought we had it rained for almost a year in my area and the difference I noticed was amazing from that wet season, I soon realised I was not watering enough real quick after that wet season.

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Oh wow, great to know thanks. Your garden is awesome!

[happypalms]

  On 4/25/2025 at 8:54 AM, PalmSam said:

Oh wow, great to know thanks. Your garden is awesome!

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Thanks. Pretty well much most palms love water if the correct drainage is available especially the tropical ones that I love to grow. My garden is around 23 years young and iam not going to stop planting it out until the day a can’t do it anymore.

[sydneypalms]

  On 4/25/2025 at 6:49 AM, happypalms said:

I have two absolutely beautiful caudescens in my garden. Planted about 23 years ago going through some tough conditions yet still looking good. Slow in my climate most likely due to the fact they love water. Regardless of name change they an absolute beauty of a palm worth growing in any garden if you have room. I just love the pattern on the new spear. So where are the others on palm talk I have never seen any iam sure there out there in palm land especially those lucky Hawaii growers. 

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my 10 yr old one rotted away a yr ago, and the other was sold already to a regular customer, not sure if his survived coz his had to be transfered to another location so.  😞 and this would be in sydney and nowra of Oz

[WaianaeCrider]

According to Palmpedia :

They grow in sandy soil in gallery forest and open plains up to the Atlantic coastal forests.  They grow in sandy soil in gallery forest and open plains up to the Atlantic coastal forests.

Mine is growing in my Hawaiian red clay w/water only twice a week for about 35 minutes each time starting at midnight.  It was planted in July of 2020 from a FB one gallon pot.  Here are two photos but I'm gonna have to  upload from my phone.  The second is from 2024.  I'll try to get another tomorrow morning.

[happypalms]

  On 4/27/2025 at 1:38 AM, sydneypalms said:

my 10 yr old one rotted away a yr ago, and the other was sold already to a regular customer, not sure if his survived coz his had to be transfered to another location so.  😞 and this would be in sydney and nowra of Oz

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Ouch that’s gotta hurt losing a ten year old one. And selling the only other one you had even more traumatic. There rare I have been looking for years for seeds. And never seen them for sale, fortunately I have 4 more in 200mm containers plus another 6 in the ground so iam hopeful they have survived 20 plus years so no drama for me except lack of seeds. 

[happypalms]

  On 4/27/2025 at 2:29 AM, WaianaeCrider said:

According to Palmpedia :

They grow in sandy soil in gallery forest and open plains up to the Atlantic coastal forests.  They grow in sandy soil in gallery forest and open plains up to the Atlantic coastal forests.

Mine is growing in my Hawaiian red clay w/water only twice a week for about 35 minutes each time starting at midnight.  It was planted in July of 2020 from a FB one gallon pot.  Here are two photos but I'm gonna have to  upload from my phone.  The second is from 2024.  I'll try to get another tomorrow morning.

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I have plenty of sandy soil that’s for sure so that’s a good thing in there favour in my area for growing them. The ones I havenn be in sunny spots don’t seem too do as good as the shaded ones, some dry tolerance so the amount of water you are giving yours is pretty good. I actually wish I had a little clay in my soil for water retention and a few nutrients, but I will stick with the free draining sand. How long has yours been in the ground?

[WaianaeCrider]

  On 4/27/2025 at 4:20 AM, happypalms said:

I have plenty of sandy soil that’s for sure so that’s a good thing in there favour in my area for growing them. The ones I havenn be in sunny spots don’t seem too do as good as the shaded ones, some dry tolerance so the amount of water you are giving yours is pretty good. I actually wish I had a little clay in my soil for water retention and a few nutrients, but I will stick with the free draining sand. How long has yours been in the ground?

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Planted in 2020.  It's seems like it just started to grow last year.  It has a 25 foot tall African Tulip Tree about 4 feet from it providing shade.  Wish I never planted it or the few others I planted for shade.  If I'd know how many BILLIONS of seeds they'd produce and the hundreds of seedlings poping up in the yard, the green house and WOW even on under MY HOUSE I'd NEVER had planted the first one.  LOL  Trouble is the wife loves the flowers and If I cut it down she'd kill me on night while I slept.  LOL 

[happypalms]

  On 4/27/2025 at 8:38 AM, WaianaeCrider said:

Planted in 2020.  It's seems like it just started to grow last year.  It has a 25 foot tall African Tulip Tree about 4 feet from it providing shade.  Wish I never planted it or the few others I planted for shade.  If I'd know how many BILLIONS of seeds they'd produce and the hundreds of seedlings poping up in the yard, the green house and WOW even on under MY HOUSE I'd NEVER had planted the first one.  LOL  Trouble is the wife loves the flowers and If I cut it down she'd kill me on night while I slept.  LOL 

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Yes they sit  for a while then young then put on a slow medium pace after a few years then start to move a bit. The African tulip tree is a pest in Australia the native bees get stuck inside the flowers and die. I curse my neighbour for the one he has growing in garden. And we all know the wife is correct when it  comes to knowing her flowers after all a good lady knows her flowers well!

[sydneypalms]

  On 4/27/2025 at 2:43 AM, happypalms said:

Ouch that’s gotta hurt losing a ten year old one. And selling the only other one you had even more traumatic. There rare I have been looking for years for seeds. And never seen them for sale, fortunately I have 4 more in 200mm containers plus another 6 in the ground so iam hopeful they have survived 20 plus years so no drama for me except lack of seeds. 

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it was still in the pot becoz it never really needed to be transpotted.  otherwise i could have put it in the ground. i think i got mine from good ole rosebud farm in kuranda ? as seedlings. long ago, maybe it was my own sprouts. so many, lost track. maybe 1 day we could swap rare plant for rare plant hehe, just not at the mo, have to find places for other palms to stick in ground, space ? space? where can i squeeze more in???? 

[happypalms]

  On 4/28/2025 at 3:42 AM, sydneypalms said:

it was still in the pot becoz it never really needed to be transpotted.  otherwise i could have put it in the ground. i think i got mine from good ole rosebud farm in kuranda ? as seedlings. long ago, maybe it was my own sprouts. so many, lost track. maybe 1 day we could swap rare plant for rare plant hehe, just not at the mo, have to find places for other palms to stick in ground, space ? space? where can i squeeze more in???? 

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My ones came from rosebud Rich is a legend not forgotten. If you come up with something that iam interested in I can do a swap. There’s always room for more palms no matter what the situation is. 

[sydneypalms]

  On 4/28/2025 at 4:07 AM, happypalms said:

My ones came from rosebud Rich is a legend not forgotten. If you come up with something that iam interested in I can do a swap. There’s always room for more palms no matter what the situation is. 

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i was more worried about all the water these palms will be steeling from eachother rather than the space, um and rootage. theres no where to dig in most spots grrr. so ive cheated,,,  i shoudl post a foto of what ive done haha. 1 sec ile be back.... why are they loading side ways, they should all be upright as in my camera

[sydneypalms]

 

 

[tim_brissy_13]

This is my one, pic taken right on a year ago. It’s been ‘growing’ for about 20 years in Melbourne including a couple of transplants. One of those palms that I’m attached to because of its journey, but it’s far from a feature in the garden. 

[richnorm]

About 15 years on the clock.  Photo is flattering but haven't lost the faith  just yet. Sometimes you need 20+ years before palms turn a corner and start to look good here.

[happypalms]

  On 4/28/2025 at 1:45 PM, tim_brissy_13 said:

This is my one, pic taken right on a year ago. It’s been ‘growing’ for about 20 years in Melbourne including a couple of transplants. One of those palms that I’m attached to because of its journey, but it’s far from a feature in the garden. 

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At least you have one there rather rare Tim. Fear not Tim give it another 20 years and by then well you know……

[happypalms]

  On 4/28/2025 at 11:59 PM, richnorm said:

About 15 years on the clock.  Photo is flattering but haven't lost the faith  just yet. Sometimes you need 20+ years before palms turn a corner and start to look good here.

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Yes that’s about 20 years worth of growth so slow. My ones are just starting to get a move on after 23 years but one beautiful palm that’s for sure. 

[happypalms]

  On 4/28/2025 at 4:23 AM, sydneypalms said:

 

 

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Raised garden beds are one trick for your root space you mentioned. That and a garden make over always works removing the common plants and replacing with rare ones. 

[peachy]

I got mine very cheap as they had too many and nobody was buying them.  Mine were not rockets but were over a metre high after 6 years.  Last time I went for a sticky beak at the old garden I was upset to see they had been removed and replaced by  bloody old Oleanders !  URRRK.

Peachy

[happypalms]

  On 4/29/2025 at 10:36 AM, peachy said:

I got mine very cheap as they had too many and nobody was buying them.  Mine were not rockets but were over a metre high after 6 years.  Last time I went for a sticky beak at the old garden I was upset to see they had been removed and replaced by  bloody old Oleanders !  URRRK.

Peachy

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What oleanders such cruelty to such a glorious palm. One problem with rare palms is a lot of the demographic plant market gardeners have no idea at of the beauty in rare palms. Just not realising there are other more beautiful palms out there, such a shame they choose golden canes and Alexander palms not that there is anything wrong with those palms,  over a black petiole baronii or a chambeyronia. 
Richard 

[sydneypalms]

  On 4/25/2025 at 8:54 AM, PalmSam said:

Oh wow, great to know thanks. Your garden is awesome!

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just remember. "in the ground", as opposed to just in pots

[sydneypalms]

  On 4/29/2025 at 2:46 AM, happypalms said:

Raised garden beds are one trick for your root space you mentioned. That and a garden make over always works removing the common plants and replacing with rare ones. 

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you cant makeover a 25 yr old garden full of rare palms.  i am building higher in spots the soil, / sand, and am still filling it up with palm and a few decorative colour plants

[TropicalGardenSpain]

I was lucky enough to get one back when i first started my garden and the seller told me it was rare that was enough for me to take the chance on it, its painfully slow but I've had it in the ground around 6 years now and it is a beautiful palm. 

[Mazat]

  On 4/25/2025 at 6:49 AM, happypalms said:

I have two absolutely beautiful caudescens in my garden. Planted about 23 years ago going through some tough conditions yet still looking good. Slow in my climate most likely due to the fact they love water. Regardless of name change they an absolute beauty of a palm worth growing in any garden if you have room. I just love the pattern on the new spear. So where are the others on palm talk I have never seen any iam sure there out there in palm land especially those lucky Hawaii growers. 

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from my perspective they look awesome, Richard.

[realarch]

This is a palm you don’t see or hear about much., even here in Hawaii. The few Allagoptera caudescens I have encountered have been impressive specimens and I can sorta see similarities with the smaller A. arenaria. These photos were taken ten years back, I would think it is still there. Good on everyone for keeping the faith cultivating this species. 

Tim

[Tracy]

  On 4/30/2025 at 5:48 PM, realarch said:

This is a palm you don’t see or hear about much., even here in Hawaii. The few Allagoptera caudescens I have encountered have been impressive specimens and I can sorta see similarities with the smaller A. arenaria. These photos were taken ten years back, I would think it is still there. Good on everyone for keeping the faith cultivating this species. 

Tim

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Bill's???

I bought mine after a Southern California Palm Society meeting at Jason's old Fallbrook garden in roughly 2013 or 14.  I planted it later after running out of space in prominent positions in garden, so it hides behind my garage out of site.

Tim, do I recall correctly that there was talk of moving this to Syagrus briefly before the Allagoptera caudescens assignment from Polyandrococcus?

[realarch]

Tracy, that palm is looking pretty darn good and has some size as well. The name is still accepted for the species, according to the Kew site. I never heard of the possibility moving it to Syagrus. 

Tim

[happypalms]

  On 4/30/2025 at 4:47 PM, Mazat said:

from my perspective they look awesome, Richard.

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They are awesome I love this palm. 

[happypalms]

  On 4/30/2025 at 5:48 PM, realarch said:

This is a palm you don’t see or hear about much., even here in Hawaii. The few Allagoptera caudescens I have encountered have been impressive specimens and I can sorta see similarities with the smaller A. arenaria. These photos were taken ten years back, I would think it is still there. Good on everyone for keeping the faith cultivating this species. 

Tim

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Those lucky Hawaii growers have it sown up when it comes to advanced palms. A true specimen indeed that one is I could only imagine what it looks like now. You sir have come up with goods on this one top marks a real beauty. 

[Jonathan Haycock]

This is best example I’ve seen in Australia (Brisbane’s City Botanical Gardens). Not that slow either. There is a large mature specimen in Townsville’s Palmetum, but it doesn’t look anywhere near as good as this one.

[happypalms]

  16 hours ago, Jonathan Haycock said:

This is best example I’ve seen in Australia (Brisbane’s City Botanical Gardens). Not that slow either. There is a large mature specimen in Townsville’s Palmetum, but it doesn’t look anywhere near as good as this one.

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Beautiful, my ones seem to have picked up once past the baby juvenile teenage years. But they do like water the more you give them the better they grow.