Variegated Raphis

[BS Man about Palms]

Heres the first one, dunno the name.

[BS Man about Palms]

I think this is a Shippodenshiroshima.  ???

[BS Man about Palms]

And an Eizanishiki.  ???

[paulgila]

dewd,are those real names or are you just making that up?

[BS Man about Palms]

If anyone else has "matching names" could they post pics to see if its obvious?

Or post any other ones if you want too.

[paulgila]

i can hardly see the plants with all the WEEDS in those pots

[Gbarce]

How do you distinguish one variety from another?    They kind of look very similar to one another-- and variegation by nature is a bit random right?

Please educate us about the finer points.

Over here they just call them "variegated rhapis" generically even if they are different species.

[Jeff Searle]

Bill,

   Yea.....whats up with all the weeds in the pic? And what about all the brown leaves? Their just screaming out for some little tender loving care. Some attention maybe. (maybe put them in a box and mail them over to me, I'll clean them up)

Jeff

[BS Man about Palms]

I wish I knew what differentiates the different ones.   I can see some trunk differences.

Hey- I think Carlo said he is using weeds to protect his more tender palms.  Sounds good to me.

[eastern.nurseries]

Heh Bill,

I must say post number 2 is Shippodenshiroshima, it says so on the tag. I need to look at No1 a little longer to work it out. Shippoden is the green parent name/ Shiro- coming out with the white/ Shima- the stripe pattern . Thank you America, I now know where Flickweed and creeping oxalis come from. No wonder you produce Ronstar and Rout! I've  added a pic of some Shippodenshiroshima so you can see the most obvious traits in the variegation and of course the leaf.

[metalfan]

Hey, creeping oxalis is a very valuable plant here! It fills in the bare spots in the lawn (along with the dandelions, dollarweed and dichondra) so that everything looks nice and uniformly green! (yuk yuk)

[palmmermaid]

Good one, Gina!     I wouldn't have any "lawn" if not for the green weeds!  And that's OK by me.  I just mow everything and it's all green.

[Kris]

(pohonkelapa @ Dec. 11 2007,02:24)

QUOTE

i can hardly see the plants with all the WEEDS in those pots

Dear Bill & Jon  

you folks have a lovely vergiated collection of Raphis...hope some day even online guys market the seeds of these exocitic palms too !  ???

thanks & love,

Kris  

[BS Man about Palms]

Thank you very much for the info Jon!!  Your Raphis look beautiful!

[eastern.nurseries]

Bill, After looking at post No1 I would say it is Nanzannishiki.

[BS Man about Palms]

Thanks Jon.

[eastern.nurseries]

Here are two pictures of Eizannishiki, which one is of higher quality and why do you think so?

[BS Man about Palms]

Hi Jon- Those are both good looking palms!!!!   I would guess the first one is the better one because of the more defined color differences between dark green and yellow.

Also- when I went to put the name in the pot for the first pic I sent, I found a tag labeled as : Ayanishiki    Do you think that could be right?

Thanks again,

Bill

[eastern.nurseries]

Hi Bill,

There's a good chance the tag is right and I'm wrong. It is hard to judge the identity of these plants from pictures particularly when it doesn't conform to the type description. Ayanishiki is a lime green plant with yellow variegation that appears to have been applied with a fine brush. Your plant looks darker green and the stripe broader. If it has suckered freely (like Zuikonishiki) it could be Ayanishiki as Nanzannishiki is shy to produce canes and then only one or two at a time. And finally to confuse you more, if it isn't lime with a yellow stripe but dark green, lime green, light green and a yellow stripe fading to cream it is Zuikonishiki.

  I'll wait for more response on the Eizannishiki before commenting .

[eastern.nurseries]

anyone?

[tropicalb]

I'm guessing the first pic is the one of higher quality, by virtue of the distinct difference in color between the greens and yellows (the second plant looks "mushier"), and the fact that the stems themselves are taller than the second plant and add more height to the plant.

plus, it's obviously sitting in a much nicer pot than the second pic.

[Gbarce]

I like the first pot better because of the better contrast between the dark green and the variegation,  The bands are also bigger adding to the beauty (at least in my eyes ) of the plant.

BUT- in the world of variegated plants I think that this also means that the variegation is less consistent and less stable.  As the plant grows you could have more of each color per leaf which means that you cold possibly end up back with an all green plant.  The variegation of the second plant is finer ( giving it the "mushier" look) and more consistent among all the leaves (old and new ones) and I think is more stable so the second plant I think is the higher quality plant.

At least I guess so.

[eastern.nurseries]

I have to say the plant in the top picture is one of my favorites, it's about fifteen years old and as Bill and Tropicalb said the contrast in colour is eye catching. But it is the lower plant that is the higher quality. The entire plant is variegated not just segments and the even display of striping on nearly all leaves of perfect foliage makes this choice quality. Gene, you have a good eye for variegation. Also, vigor is inversely proportional to variegation. Higher quality plants should be in that middle ground.

[tropicalb]

Jon...

when the greens and yellow-greens are that close together in color (as they are in the higher quality plant), do the later leaves still always hold true to that color pattern or have you seen them "blend" more as time goes by to even closer colors of green?

[eastern.nurseries]

Generally the higher quality plants are more consistent but this can still vary widely from variety to variety.

For example Nanzannishiki, Taizannishiki, Heiseinishiki, Zuikonishiki, Ayanishiki and Eizannishiki in the very choice grades produce seven or eight canes out of ten that are very similar to the parent whereas Tenzanshiroshima, Daikokutennoshima, Keigetsunoshima and many others will only yield three or four canes in ten that are choice and to make it harder many high quality varieties produce only one cane a year. As far as blending of colours goes, yes it is possible but unusual, I've seen Nanzannishiki do this, it comes out with a yellowish leaf that is covered in fine greenish flecks all over it.