Neighbor's yard

[JD in the OC]

I toured a friend's yard here in Fort Myers a few weeks ago.  All of his palms were planted after hurricane Charlie, so this garden is only 4 or 5 years old.

A. myolensis

A. tuckeri

C. miraguama ??

[JD in the OC]

Coccothrinax miraguama x barbadensis inflorescence

Cocos nucifera var. "spicata"  (Some type of coconut variety that has spiticate inflorescences- meaning only one rachillae)

Maypan Coco

[JD in the OC]

Corypha sp.

Foxy Lady

Pritchardia sp??

[JD in the OC]

Another pritchardia sp.

Syagrus schizophylla x romanzoffiana

Licuala ramsayii

[JD in the OC]

Kentiopsis oliviformis is jammin!

[Joe palma]

Sweet palms!

and they are growing so nicely....

Thx

[osideterry]

Never seen that Syagrus hybrid before. Very cool.

[Jeff zone 8 N.C.]

JD, thanks for posting those pictures. That is a nice garden! I wish I could grow half of those palms in twice the time. Of course, if I could, I would have to sit on my hands just to keep from waving at everybody.

[Kris]

Dear JD  

Lovely tour & beautiful palms  ! i liked it..

thanks & love,

Kris  

[Fred Zone 10A]

Never seen that Syagrus hybrid before. Very cool.

I planted one this summer from a 15 gallon pot.  I think it will be a winner for Southern California gardens.

[BS Man about Palms]

(Fred Zone 10A @ Dec. 08 2007,09:44)

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Never seen that Syagrus hybrid before. Very cool.

I planted one this summer from a 15 gallon pot.  I think it will be a winner for Southern California gardens.

I have two- one in a 24" box and 1 in a 15 gal. Both sat outside and neither one was fazed by the 28F I saw in Jan.  

[calyptrocalyx&licuala freck]

Hi JD,

Great photo's thanks for sharing, That Cocos nucifera

'var' spicata, has the same simple spike as the "Samoan dwarf"

Bar that large thick trunk,There normally about the thickness of the

top of your thigh.

Cheers Mikey.

[JD in the OC]

Fred,

A definite winner.  Looks like a Coconut-type queen palm.  There aren't many schizo's in Cali, which would account for the rareity of it there.  Here in Floriduh, Derek found a schizo with 4 feet of wood for $100 and its flowering.  I'm going to try to make some seeds.

Bill,

I would think it could take into the low 20's or high teens, being a hybrid and all...

Mikey,

Your guess is as good as mine... could be a hybrid of the one you mentioned?

[Jim in Los Altos]

(JD in the OC @ Dec. 08 2007,15:09)

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Fred,

A definite winner.  Looks like a Coconut-type queen palm.  There aren't many schizo's in Cali, which would account for the rareity of it there.  Here in Floriduh, Derek found a schizo with 4 feet of wood for $100 and its flowering.  I'm going to try to make some seeds.

Bill,

I would think it could take into the low 20's or high teens, being a hybrid and all...

Mikey,

Your guess is as good as mine... could be a hybrid of the one you mentioned?

They are beautiful indeed but only moderately cold hardy. Mine is five feet tall and was unscathed by 26F but a friend's 8 footer was wiped out by a temperature of 23F but may have survived with antifungal applications. It was badly burned up to 60%. Growth is slow, at least where I am. Much slower than a queen but, as I already said, it's a very beautiful palm and should be more widely available.

[PalmGuyWC]

Jim,

Your comments have confirmed what I suspected. A Schizo X Queen should be no more cold hardy than the most cold hardy of its two parents, in this case Syagrus romanzoffianum. Actually, since one palm was badly damaged at 23F, it would be a little less cold hardy than a Queen because Schizo is much less hardy.

As has already been determined, a Butiagrus is much more hardy than S. romanzoffianum, but less hardy than a Butia.

Something we have been trying to determine is the cold hardiness of the cocoid hybrids, the question being: Does the temp. where the fronds are damaged occur somewhere between the hardiness of the two parents, or does the hardiness of the mother palm carry over to the hybrid progny?

Using Butia as the mother, we have been surprised how hardy Butia X Parajubaea is. Mine took 23F last winter with repeated nights below freezing with no damage, and others have reported they have taken it into the teens with no damage.

If it's possible, it would be interesting to cross Butia X Schizo. The progny should be much more cold hardy, but it's anyones guess what their apperance would be.

Dick

[BS Man about Palms]

(PalmGuyWC @ Dec. 09 2007,04:04)

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If it's possible, it would be interesting to cross Butia X Schizo. The progny should be much more cold hardy, but it's anyones guess what their apperance would be.

Dick

A bushy palm with killer short teeth!!!

[PalmGuyWC]

If it's possible, it still might be interesting. I wish I had one. Try to imagine a Jubaea crossed with Allagoptera and that's been done. Reminds me of an Elephant crossed with a mouse......which reminds me of a joke...but that wouldn't float on here. Jubea crossed with Schizo might be interesting too, if it's possible. There is a whole bunch of Cocoid crosses that haven't been tried yet.

Dick

[JD in the OC]

If anyone needs schizophylla pollen, let us know

[Exotic Life]

Fantastic picture's, thanks for sharing!

Robbin

[PalmGuyWC]

Hi J. D.

I don't want to hijack this thread, but...next spring when the palms start blooming, this is a want list of pollens we are looking for. Syagrus, botryophora, amara, schizophylla and "Abra ojos." (I understand there is only one mature Abra ojos in S. Calif. and it would be an interesting one to try).

Also, Pollen is desperately needed from any of the Parajubaeas, particularly from P. torallyi and sunkha. (Does anyone know of any blooming P. torallyi and sunkha in S. Calif)?  We have heard of none.

Also pollen from any species of Allagoptera.  Patrick Schafer, the hybridizer up here in N. Cal., sucessfully crossed Jubaea with Allagoptera. Several of the hybrid seeds germinated, but when they had 4 or 5 fronds, they died back, and only two have survived. He had a very small amount of pollen, so this is one he would really like to try again.

When the palms start blooming, I expect we would drive down to S. Calif. and let Patrick collect the pollen himself, as he knows the proper techniques. I expect it would be no more complicated than shaking the pollen into a bag, but it has to be kept dry and stored properly.

I expect Patrick would be willing to make a "deal" with anyone supplying some rare pollens, but these hybrids don't always work out, so it would be an endeavor of chance, or luck.

Dick

[swolf]

Dick,

How about adding blue Jubaea pollen to the list?  If Patrick could obtain some, it would be a great 'father' for your blue bujubaea (if that's what it's labeled).  Besides Mission Bay, this article says there are a few old specimens in Fremont.  They must be very tall though.

http://www.palmsnc.org/pages/article.php?id=3

Steve

[PalmGuyWC]

Steve,

I'm afraid we (me) have hijacked this thread, but it seemed the hybrid plam in the garden pictures generated the most comment. Leave it up to palm people to have a discerning eye.

Yes, pollen from the blue Jubaea would be nice to use, but I've heard the blue ones don't necessairly have blue babies. It would be interesting to try anyway. Maybe we can get some Jubaea pollen from Mission Bay sometime, as they don't seem to tall yet.

The heigth of the palms is a definate problem and most of the Jubaeas growing up here are to tall to reach, and the same goes for some of the others too, such as Syagrus and the Parajubaeas.

Dick

[freakypalmguy]

You would be surprised at how many of the Jubs in Mission Bay are fruiting. The last time I was there, two or three months ago, I would bet it was at least 90% were. Even some of the short ones. The blue one was loaded. Must be the climate in San Diego.

Matt

[PalmGuyWC]

Hi Matt,

Yes, the last time I was in San Diego, I noticed most of the Jubaeas had old flower spaths hanging down. I would imagine San Diego would be the perfect climate for Jubaeas and they would probably grow all year there.

If I were you guys, I'd be out scooping up all the seeds I could under the blue one. I didn't realize the blue ones were so scarce. There must be other blue ones in the area, aren't there? As I recall there were some blue ones growing at Lotus Land.

I need to come down there and see what you guys are doing. It used to be Disney Land, and now it's Dypsis land.

Dick

[swolf]

Dick, I've read the same about 'blue' Jubaea offspring color.  But I still think a controlled cross with another blue parent (like your BuJubaea) would equate to good odds of a blue colored offspring.  

Sorry to continue the 'hijack'.  I'm going silent -- starting... now! (Kramer/Seinfeld flashback)

Steve

[PalmGuyWC]

J.D.,

I'm sorry to have hijacked your thread, and the pictures of the Ft. Myers garden were nice, but you see what a discussion can be created from one palm. It's really hard to stay on subject sometimes.

It was nice to see the "Spicata" coconut, as I understand it's very rare. I once saw one growing in the Holmstead area and it was called Red Spicata, and the small nuts were orange with highlights of red.

Dick

[BS Man about Palms]

(freakypalmguy @ Dec. 10 2007,13:25)

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You would be surprised at how many of the Jubs in Mission Bay are fruiting. The last time I was there, two or three months ago, I would bet it was at least 90% were. Even some of the short ones. The blue one was loaded. Must be the climate in San Diego.

Matt

There are few palms I have germinated, but I have 9 little babies from the Mission bay Jubea's.    (No, I was to stoopid to realise, a). there is a blue Jubea there. . to have kept its seeds seperate in any case!!)

I do know that Steve in San Diego had a tub full of the "blue" seeds last year. Dunno if he sowed them or not.

Lotusland is "mostly" blue Jubea's while Mission Bay has one.

[BS Man about Palms]

(PalmGuyWC @ Dec. 10 2007,09:19)

QUOTE

Hi J. D.

I don't want to hijack this thread, but...next spring when the palms start blooming, this is a want list of pollens we are looking for. Syagrus, botryophora, amara, schizophylla and "Abra ojos." (I understand there is only one mature Abra ojos in S. Calif. and it would be an interesting one to try).

Also, Pollen is desperately needed from any of the Parajubaeas, particularly from P. torallyi and sunkha. (Does anyone know of any blooming P. torallyi and sunkha in S. Calif)?  We have heard of none.

Also pollen from any species of Allagoptera.  Patrick Schafer, the hybridizer up here in N. Cal., sucessfully crossed Jubaea with Allagoptera. Several of the hybrid seeds germinated, but when they had 4 or 5 fronds, they died back, and only two have survived. He had a very small amount of pollen, so this is one he would really like to try again.

When the palms start blooming, I expect we would drive down to S. Calif. and let Patrick collect the pollen himself, as he knows the proper techniques. I expect it would be no more complicated than shaking the pollen into a bag, but it has to be kept dry and stored properly.

I expect Patrick would be willing to make a "deal" with anyone supplying some rare pollens, but these hybrids don't always work out, so it would be an endeavor of chance, or luck.

Dick

There is a seeding Parajubea in the Ventura college parking lot to be sure. (saw it a few weeks back) and I suspect the one on Ralph Velez's street is ready by now.

[JD in the OC]

Dick,

Not at all!!!  Any discussion about palms that can arise out of my topic is fine by me

I have a friend in california who has access to P. torallyii, B. eriospatha, S. amara, S. coronata, and S. oleracea pollen if anyone needs it.  I have access to schizophylla pollen here in Florida.

Seems like Norcal folks and Europeans are the most fired-up about the hybrids... and with good cause!!

[SubTropicRay]

Nice garden.

[PalmGuyWC]

J.D.

The cold hardy hybrids are not only for us types that normally get cold weather. After last years freeze in S. Calif., it might have been nice to see an unusual green palm, untouched, standing amongst the burned up tropicals.

Dick

[JD in the OC]

Good point! I imagine demand for cold-hardy palms will always be in the rise...