Palms of the Carolinas

[PAPalmtrees]

16 hours ago, Cindy Adair said:

I grew up in NC (and visited SC often then) so am familiar with lots of the locations posted here. 
 

The antique bed I use in Puerto Rico was purchased by my parents in an antique store in Bluffton more than 50 years ago. 
 

I do recall seeing palms at least in SC on vacation and who knows how that could have influenced me to move to the tropics?

It is great to see documentation of palms in so many non tropical places for the enjoyment of so many.

Thanks!

 

I find it quite enjoyable going on Google Maps and looking for Palms And tropicals 

[NC_Palms]

Sneeds Ferry, NC

 

 

[NC_Palms]

Topsail Island, NC 

[NC_Palms]

Harker's Island NC 

[PAPalmtrees]

Here are two very full looking palmettos in Kill Devil Hills, North Carolina https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0424902,-75.6755586,3a,48.9y,53.61h,101.17t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1swtbr-Mo-xCqmQH46sgzODw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-11.171099625534993%26panoid%3Dwtbr-Mo-xCqmQH46sgzODw%26yaw%3D53.61076854987134!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDEyNy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

[MrTropical]

Visited Hammocks Beach State Park again today & took some pictures for everyone on the forum to enjoy...
 

1-30-2025

[PAPalmtrees]

Livistona chinensis in Wrightsville Beach, North Carolina. https://www.google.com/maps/@34.207418,-77.7966421,3a,33y,138.57h,77.08t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s9olinWbpx-Q47WGuolER8Q!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D12.917237052010094%26panoid%3D9olinWbpx-Q47WGuolER8Q%26yaw%3D138.56573013494503!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDEyOS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

[PAPalmtrees]

2 Washys in Carolina Beach, North Carolina. https://www.google.com/maps/@34.022943,-77.9011643,3a,21.9y,357.76h,87.78t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sM281tWVcx6VtyGBCH1ZKow!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D2.2169195697595256%26panoid%3DM281tWVcx6VtyGBCH1ZKow%26yaw%3D357.756823853099!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDEyOS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

[PAPalmtrees]

A couple more Washys in Carolina Beach https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0319472,-77.9016172,3a,23.2y,359.96h,88.6t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1shFtaPcN6tZyofM5Sn9w5Xg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D1.3963089922938963%26panoid%3DhFtaPcN6tZyofM5Sn9w5Xg%26yaw%3D359.95522032856957!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDEyOS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

[PAPalmtrees]

I found a needle palm in Carolina Beach, needle palms are rare for no reason in North Carolina i wonder why. https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0325918,-77.9041409,3a,15y,213.13h,82.82t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sUIKMNmv5oVXWZWRX7_Vyvw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D7.176731916982575%26panoid%3DUIKMNmv5oVXWZWRX7_Vyvw%26yaw%3D213.12976996276828!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDEyOS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

[MrTropical]

On 2/4/2025 at 9:24 AM, PaPalmTrees said:

I found a needle palm in Carolina Beach, needle palms are rare for no reason in North Carolina i wonder why. https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0325918,-77.9041409,3a,15y,213.13h,82.82t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sUIKMNmv5oVXWZWRX7_Vyvw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D7.176731916982575%26panoid%3DUIKMNmv5oVXWZWRX7_Vyvw%26yaw%3D213.12976996276828!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDEyOS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Needle palms are rare in general - unfortunately, seed production & distribution is limited with this species.

https://www.palmpedia.net/wiki/Rhapidophyllum_hystrix

2-7-2025

[MrTropical]

European Fan Palm (Chamaerops humilis) in Hubert, N.C.



Link to Google Street View: https://maps.app.goo.gl/89DEpZfVnp4vBFGZA

[NC_Palms]

On 2/4/2025 at 9:24 AM, PaPalmTrees said:

I found a needle palm in Carolina Beach, needle palms are rare for no reason in North Carolina i wonder why. https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0325918,-77.9041409,3a,15y,213.13h,82.82t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sUIKMNmv5oVXWZWRX7_Vyvw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D7.176731916982575%26panoid%3DUIKMNmv5oVXWZWRX7_Vyvw%26yaw%3D213.12976996276828!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDEyOS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Several reasons tbh. First, in Carolina Beach there’s so many other palms worth planting and they do better without salt exposure and in clayish soil. Also they’re much harder to mass produce than Sabal for the nursery trade.

 

 

[Palmerr]

On 12/31/2024 at 12:00 PM, NC_Palms said:

I have no idea. I have never seen this on a washie before either. This was at a plant nursery in Bluffton 

Sometimes when sabal palmettos get hit by lightning (I have seen) they sprout 1 or two new growth points on the sides kinda cool but very very rare.

[MrTropical]

Native Sabal Minor & Sabal Palmetto at the Croatan National Forest in Carteret County, N.C.

 

[Palmerr]

On 2/4/2025 at 8:45 AM, PaPalmTrees said:

Livistona chinensis in Wrightsville Beach, North Carolina. https://www.google.com/maps/@34.207418,-77.7966421,3a,33y,138.57h,77.08t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s9olinWbpx-Q47WGuolER8Q!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D12.917237052010094%26panoid%3D9olinWbpx-Q47WGuolER8Q%26yaw%3D138.56573013494503!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDEyOS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

I also see spineless yucca or Yucca cane which is interesting im guessing this is at least 9b cause those things die at 25 and loose foliage around 26-27

[PAPalmtrees]

1 hour ago, Palmerr said:

I also see spineless yucca or Yucca cane which is interesting im guessing this is at least 9b cause those things die at 25 and loose foliage around 26-27

 

1 hour ago, Palmerr said:

I also see spineless yucca or Yucca cane which is interesting im guessing this is at least 9b cause those things die at 25 and loose foliage around 26-27

I have seen them in person in the South part of North Carolina I think they're hardier than people think they are.

[Palmerr]

12 minutes ago, PaPalmTrees said:

 

I have seen them in person in the South part of North Carolina I think they're hardier than people think they are.

Man thats insane prob just cause its potted more than planted that hardiness was for potted plants not planted.

[PAPalmtrees]

5 minutes ago, Palmerr said:

Man thats insane prob just cause its potted more than planted that hardiness was for potted plants not planted.

Yeah probably.

[Palmerr]

On 2/14/2025 at 6:50 PM, PaPalmTrees said:

Yeah probably.

Yeah, I have one I keep in during the winter then keep it out from March 15th to Nov 20th or so it's the potted centerpiece of the front yard I rip half its roots when it's in the Concrete pot outside (No reaction) switched from full sun peak at 10 or so hours to part sun does fine lol. Such a resilient houseplant! It loves water don't listen to things online saying water it like a succulent. (It loves direct sun and lots of it I heard it will burn its leaves indoors. NOPE! Prob because I slightly acclimated it still though!

[PAPalmtrees]

Here's a really nice Washy in Wrightsville Beach, North Carolina It looks like a hybrid to me what do you guys think? https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2110845,-77.7997092,3a,69.1y,274.79h,102.18t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sU2yGP2NAPZcJ7dKf54vBnA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-12.181561729415492%26panoid%3DU2yGP2NAPZcJ7dKf54vBnA%26yaw%3D274.7878666881072!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIxMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

[PAPalmtrees]

Yes yes I know this is not in North Carolina or South Carolina But I just want to show you guys this absolutely massive sable minor I found in Virginia Beach The second pic is from 2015 you can see how Small, it is. I'm guessing it's a Louisiana or Birmingham variety.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8197238,-75.9690232,3a,48.9y,42.62h,83.54t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sSr8RMulf2A1zEqdYiySumg!2e0!5s20250101T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D6.463998811824581%26panoid%3DSr8RMulf2A1zEqdYiySumg%26yaw%3D42.623830844646534!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIxMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

 

[NC_Palms]

On 2/16/2025 at 11:49 PM, PaPalmTrees said:

Here's a really nice Washy in Wrightsville Beach, North Carolina It looks like a hybrid to me what do you guys think? https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2110845,-77.7997092,3a,69.1y,274.79h,102.18t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sU2yGP2NAPZcJ7dKf54vBnA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-12.181561729415492%26panoid%3DU2yGP2NAPZcJ7dKf54vBnA%26yaw%3D274.7878666881072!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIxMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Almost all Washies are hybrids by default. I can definitely see the filfiera genes in this one. The ones that have more filifera phenotypes do better than the more sterotypical robusta looking ones. 

I can speak from experience as well. Filifera is an underrated palm here that will do surprisingly better in sandy soil than what most realize.  

[NC_Palms]

On 2/17/2025 at 4:17 PM, PaPalmTrees said:

Yes yes I know this is not in North Carolina or South Carolina But I just want to show you guys this absolutely massive sable minor I found in Virginia Beach The second pic is from 2015 you can see how Small, it is. I'm guessing it's a Louisiana or Birmingham variety.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8197238,-75.9690232,3a,48.9y,42.62h,83.54t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sSr8RMulf2A1zEqdYiySumg!2e0!5s20250101T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D6.463998811824581%26panoid%3DSr8RMulf2A1zEqdYiySumg%26yaw%3D42.623830844646534!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIxMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

I am gonna suggest Louisiana. The fronds aren't costapalmate enough to be Birmingham imo

[MrTropical]

Solo Cup Sabal Causiarum in N.C.
Germinated in October 2024 & I hope to plant it in the ground one day!

[PAPalmtrees]

16 hours ago, NC_Palms said:

I am gonna suggest Louisiana. The fronds aren't costapalmate enough to be Birmingham imo

ya it does look like a Louisiana

[PAPalmtrees]

16 hours ago, NC_Palms said:

Almost all Washies are hybrids by default. I can definitely see the filfiera genes in this one. The ones that have more filifera phenotypes do better than the more sterotypical robusta looking ones. 

I can speak from experience as well. Filifera is an underrated palm here that will do surprisingly better in sandy soil than what most realize.  

For real it's really hard to get a 100% washingtonia filifera or a 100% washingtonia robusta there normally always mixed

[PAPalmtrees]

Here is a Pygmy Date palm in Little River, South Carolina Near Myrtle Beach About 3 miles away from The North Carolina border. https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8772979,-78.6225414,3a,44y,328.03h,83.87t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s33jq0Qephw86cPCdLesi1g!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D6.134927216160818%26panoid%3D33jq0Qephw86cPCdLesi1g%26yaw%3D328.0295343765974!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIyNi4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

[NC_Palms]

On 3/3/2025 at 11:03 PM, PAPalmtrees said:

Here is a Pygmy Date palm in Little River, South Carolina Near Myrtle Beach About 3 miles away from The North Carolina border. https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8772979,-78.6225414,3a,44y,328.03h,83.87t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s33jq0Qephw86cPCdLesi1g!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D6.134927216160818%26panoid%3D33jq0Qephw86cPCdLesi1g%26yaw%3D328.0295343765974!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIyNi4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

No way! 

 

I have seen some in some very protected spots in HHI but never thought this was possible. I wonder if its still alive after the January weather 

[PAPalmtrees]

4 minutes ago, NC_Palms said:

No way! 

 

I have seen some in some very protected spots in HHI but never thought this was possible. I wonder if its still alive after the January weather 

I found this like two years ago And I took a screenshot of the address, and a few weeks ago I guess I remembered about it and I went to check on it on Google Maps to see if it was still alive and it was, very surprising

[NC_Palms]

Just now, PAPalmtrees said:

I found this like two years ago And I took a screenshot of the address, and a few weeks ago I guess I remembered about it and I went to check on it on Google Maps to see if it was still alive and it was, very surprising

I posted one of the nicer ones I saw on HHI earlier in this thread I assume. If I didnt I can repost it. But they only did well in seculed microclimates right by the water. They would sometimes plant them on the edge of the freeway in golf courses or inland near Hardeeville but they would die. 

HHI is rated zone 9b is some spots so I assume the 9b spots are where you will find the healthiest ones. 

[PAPalmtrees]

1 minute ago, NC_Palms said:

I posted one of the nicer ones I saw on HHI earlier in this thread I assume. If I didnt I can repost it. But they only did well in seculed microclimates right by the water. They would sometimes plant them on the edge of the freeway in golf courses or inland near Hardeeville but they would die. 

HHI is rated zone 9b is some spots so I assume the 9b spots are where you will find the healthiest ones. 

It's pretty cool to see them in South Carolina when I think of somewhere having Pygmy Date palms I think of California or Florida.

[NC_Palms]

12 minutes ago, PAPalmtrees said:

It's pretty cool to see them in South Carolina when I think of somewhere having Pygmy Date palms I think of California or Florida.

In my mind I always think they are hardier than they actually are. They even get cold damage in North Florida once in a while 

[PAPalmtrees]

9 minutes ago, NC_Palms said:

In my mind I always think they are hardier than they actually are. They even get cold damage in North Florida once in a while 

Definitely agree with you they are hardier than people give them credit for. I would like to get one someday

[kinzyjr]

2 hours ago, NC_Palms said:

In my mind I always think they are hardier than they actually are. They even get cold damage in North Florida once in a while 

They take damage and die here once in a while.  The linked photo below is from the January 2022 cold snap outside of the UHI.  It's a little grainy, but you can see that roughly half the fronds are torched:

[NC-Key-Bar]

I visited the Fayetteville filbusta today. Still quite a bit of green up top. I really think this is heavy robusta. Fronds have very few fibers on them, and fronds on the ground had noticeable brown barbs on the petioles. 
 

collected some seeds from the ground, as well as some from the palmettos. Those seemed to be doing well. 

[PAPalmtrees]

Here are some native sable minor cape hatteras in Hatteras, North Carolina. they are everywhere! https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2221008,-75.6851935,3a,15y,88.01h,83.41t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sj1M2j0HUZuTpcXGHJ2Q06A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D6.5854413645837155%26panoid%3Dj1M2j0HUZuTpcXGHJ2Q06A%26yaw%3D88.01393138039583!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDMxOS4yIKXMDSoJLDEwMjExNjQwSAFQAw%3D%3D

[NC-Key-Bar]

26 minutes ago, PAPalmtrees said:

Here are some native sable minor cape hatteras in Hatteras, North Carolina. they are everywhere! https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2221008,-75.6851935,3a,15y,88.01h,83.41t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sj1M2j0HUZuTpcXGHJ2Q06A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D6.5854413645837155%26panoid%3Dj1M2j0HUZuTpcXGHJ2Q06A%26yaw%3D88.01393138039583!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDMxOS4yIKXMDSoJLDEwMjExNjQwSAFQAw%3D%3D

They run for about 20 miles down I-40, coming out of Wilmington.  They also blanket some of the woods and swamps in Brunswick County (south of there).  
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.4189878,-77.8691193,3a,37.5y,59.26h,84.56t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_llF1wLVwPHuyABJiG8t5Q!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D5.441496836707728%26panoid%3D_llF1wLVwPHuyABJiG8t5Q%26yaw%3D59.2649441470054!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDMxOS4yIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D


Gary Hollar also updated his NC Sabal minor page recently, and it's pretty amazing all the mature palms he's found.  With native ranges going up to the VA line.
http://www.garysnursery.com/TheSabalMinor.html

[PAPalmtrees]

1 hour ago, NC-Key-Bar said:

They run for about 20 miles down I-40, coming out of Wilmington.  They also blanket some of the woods and swamps in Brunswick County (south of there).  
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.4189878,-77.8691193,3a,37.5y,59.26h,84.56t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_llF1wLVwPHuyABJiG8t5Q!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D5.441496836707728%26panoid%3D_llF1wLVwPHuyABJiG8t5Q%26yaw%3D59.2649441470054!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDMxOS4yIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D


Gary Hollar also updated his NC Sabal minor page recently, and it's pretty amazing all the mature palms he's found.  With native ranges going up to the VA line.
http://www.garysnursery.com/TheSabalMinor.html

Yeah I saw Gary updated the page pretty cool. I bet in southern Virginia in one of the swamps there are sable miners growing, someone just needs to find them lol

[PAPalmtrees]

2 hours ago, NC-Key-Bar said:

hey run for about 20 miles down I-40, coming out of Wilmington.  They also blanket some of the woods and swamps in Brunswick County (south of there).  
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.4189878,-77.8691193,3a,37.5y,59.26h,84.56t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_llF1wLVwPHuyABJiG8t5Q!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D5.441496836707728%26panoid%3D_llF1wLVwPHuyABJiG8t5Q%26yaw%3D59.2649441470054!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDMxOS4yIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

They're pretty cool I've seen a video by ShoeTELEVISION
of them here's the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cNDlJMyOXg