Found some seedlings for sale, the first is supposed to be a Kentiopsis, while the second is supposedly a Parajubaea. Would greatly appreciate any feedback

Kentiopsis:

Parajubaea: 

 

 

parajubaea seeds:

 

1 hour ago, Palmfarmer said:

Found some seedlings for sale, the first is supposed to be a Kentiopsis, while the second is supposedly a Parajubaea. Would greatly appreciate any feedback

 

My opinion: Stay away from these plants. The so-called Parajubaea are almost strangely not even similar to the ones I have grown (I have 4 P. sunkha and 4 Parajubaea torallyi var. microcarpa). The leaves of Parajubaea seedlings usually divide much later and are exceptionally thick and leathery. The "Parajubaea” you have shown seems to have a very early bifid leaf, which is more typical of more tropical genera (Areca etc.).

That's why the other palm ID is also questionable (but I have never grown Kentiopsis so I wouldn't know for sure). The seeds are difficult to judge, but to me they look more like Syagrus, of which I have germinated a few. Parajubaea seeds typically look more like walnuts and are not as pointed.

 

A picture from my Parajubaea torallyi var. microcarpa a few years ago:

Sadly, I don't have any better pictures for now. But with a quick web search (dave's garden, palmpedia) , you can see that your shown palms are not the real deal.

 

Edited November 25, 20241 yr by LivistonaFan
double quote

argh, double post.

here a few parajubaea examples: shade-grown torallyi from tropengarten.de :

P. sunkha from dave's garden

Parajubaea torallyi from dave's garden

As you can see, the leaves of parajubaea do not yet divide from the first few leaves and look quite different in other respects too

 

Edit: I had assumed that all 3 plants/seeds were from the same seller. If this is not the case: Do not buy the Parajubaea plant, I cannot make any statement about the Parajubaea seeds and the Kentiopsis

Closest I could find when I tried to reverse search the seeds was Parajubaea cocoides. About the plant the upper is a legit Parajubaea while the second is the picture the seller sent me. What I notice is that the grooves are not nearly as pronounced on the one for sale. 
 

I will not buy them. How does the seeds look to you? 

36 minutes ago, LivistonaFan said:

 

few. Parajubaea seeds typically look more like walnuts and are not as pointed.

 

A picture from my Parajubaea torallyi var. microcarpa a few years ago:

Sadly, I don't have any better pictures for now. But with a quick web search (dave's garden, palmpedia) , you can see that your shown palms are not the real deal.

 

The seeds does not look like Parajubaea torallyi, they do bare a resemblance to Parajubaea cocoides, but it’s most likely queen since I think if he is scamming me he probably does not care to sell real seed and a”fake” palm.

 

its a such a shame I used to get legit seedlings from Mercadolibre before that turned out to be the real deal.
Now there seems to be a lot of fakes. 

These are claimed to be Kentiopsis. Could anyone try to analyze them please. 

On 11/25/2024 at 6:36 AM, Palmfarmer said:

This could be a Kentiopsis, e.g. oliviformis. The leaves are bifid and the right shape and size. It could also be plenty of other things.

On 11/25/2024 at 6:36 AM, Palmfarmer said:

 

This is definitely not Parajubaea, which have quite wide strap leaves like Jubaea and Jubaeopsis as has been pointed out. This seedling puts me in mind of a Dypsis/Charysalidocarpus of some sort, although I'm sure it could also be all sorts of other things.

On 11/25/2024 at 6:36 AM, Palmfarmer said:

The Parajubaea seeds I have seen (all other than sunkha) are about walnut-sized. I can't gauge the size of your seeds from this photo. They are also more rounded and longitudinally grooved and the emerging root is a good deal thicker than in this photo. They are covered in an extremely tough pithy fruit that might as well be kelvar, and the exposed pit is not hairy. They have three eyes at the blunter end.

10 hours ago, Palmfarmer said:

 

These look a bit like Livistona seedlings to me, or maybe Licuala, but could of course be a million other genera. 100% not kentiopsis, though.

13 hours ago, Palmfarmer said:

These are claimed to be Kentiopsis. Could anyone try to analyze them please. 

No chance. They don’t look anything like Kentiopsis youngins. Petiole and leaf shape is all wrong. Sorry. 
 

-dale

4 hours ago, PalmsandLiszt said:

This could be a Kentiopsis, e.g. oliviformis. The leaves are bifid and the right shape and size. It could also be plenty of other things.

This is definitely not Parajubaea, which have quite wide strap leaves like Jubaea and Jubaeopsis as has been pointed out. This seedling puts me in mind of a Dypsis/Charysalidocarpus of some sort, although I'm sure it could also be all sorts of other things.

The Parajubaea seeds I have seen (all other than sunkha) are about walnut-sized. I can't gauge the size of your seeds from this photo. They are also more rounded and longitudinally grooved and the emerging root is a good deal thicker than in this photo. They are covered in an extremely tough pithy fruit that might as well be kelvar, and the exposed pit is not hairy. They have three eyes at the blunter end.

These look a bit like Livistona seedlings to me, or maybe Licuala, but could of course be a million other genera. 100% not kentiopsis, though.

I tried a bunch of photos of it from different Angels in google image search and it comes up as a Livistona so it completely possible.