Anyway of telling Tr. wagnerianus apart from fortunei at seedling stage?

[apriliarider15]

I have variegated examples of both but didn't label them. Thinking about trading this one off but wanted to label it for the next owner. As the title says is there anyway to tell other than just wait and see.

[Chester B]

That's a tough one considering its the same species.  If it has strong waggie traits you'll really be able to tell once it throws a palmate frond.  To me it looks like fortunei.  Even at small sizes "true"  waggies have very distinct fronds, but there is a real range in what people sell as Waggie.  Some you can tell are really watered down with standard fortunei genes. 

Again I think standard fortunei , but don't hold me to it!  Really awesome you were able to get some variegated ones, those are pretty rare.

[apriliarider15]

6 hours ago, Chester B said:

That's a tough one considering its the same species.  If it has strong waggie traits you'll really be able to tell once it throws a palmate frond.  To me it looks like fortunei.  Even at small sizes "true"  waggies have very distinct fronds, but there is a real range in what people sell as Waggie.  Some you can tell are really watered down with standard fortunei genes. 

What traits should I be looking for at this size? Is there a petiole to frond ratio that you could tell side by side.  This is the first one to throw up a palmate frond of my several seedlings.

 

6 hours ago, Chester B said:

Again I think standard fortunei , but don't hold me to it!  Really awesome you were able to get some variegated ones, those are pretty rare.

I am fortunate enough to have friends with landscape nurseries that germinate the common palms by the 10s of thousands. 

[Chester B]

I don't really know how to describe it better.  A small waggie has waggie fronds right away, they look quite different from a standard fortunei.  To me your pictures show a fortunei.

[Las Palmas Norte]

 

Which of the two Trachycarpus palms would you think was a wagnerianus?

 

 

Neither. Both are from the same seed  lot from the same palm.

[apriliarider15]

14 minutes ago, Las Palmas Norte said:

 

Which of the two Trachycarpus palms would you think was a wagnerianus?

 

 

Neither. Both are from the same seed  lot from the same palm.

Interesting... I've seen several adult wagnerianus that look clearly different than fortunei. 

[Las Palmas Norte]

5 minutes ago, apriliarider15 said:

Interesting... I've seen several adult wagnerianus that look clearly different than fortunei. 

Yes, and so they should look different than T. fortunei. I've seen a number of older well established wagnerianus myself.