How many states do you have in your Sabal Minor collection?

[Swolte]

With some exceptions, I only grow one plant of each type. I do make an exception for S. minors but I thought it would be fun to collect minors sourced from different US states. I currently have Sabal minor from: 
1. Texas
2. Florida
3. Georgia
4. North Carolina
5. Oregon
6. Virginia
7. Arkansas
8. Oklahoma
9. Alabama

Let me know what you have! And do let me know if you can get me a minor from a state I don't yet have!
😎

~ S

 

 

[Xerarch]

That's a pretty cool idea, and you aren't missing very many states in its' native range, and what the heck is a sabal minor from Oregon or Virginia? surely they're just a type from some other state where they are native.

As for myself I only have 1 S. minor planted in the ground, and it isn't from a U.S. state at all.  It's S minor "Tamaulipas" from south of the border.  I've thought about collecting some seed from the local native population here in Nueces county, but I haven't, although I have posted some pics of them on this forum in the past.

[Swolte]

The 'native' claim is a bit hard to get/prove but lets say, for it to count for me, the sabals would have had to be sourced from palms that have been in that area for an extended time  (I know that's a bit vague but I also did not want to make it a science!). The Sabal minor "Cape Charles' is from a stand in Virginia, south of Washington DC. The one from Oregon comes from the High desert region of Central Oregon (Desertscape Nursery)! The latter probably wouldn't be considered "native" but perhaps others with more knowledge can weigh in on the Virginia type. 

[Harry’s Palms]

I have only one Sabal . I believe it is a Palmetto , the South Carolina state tree, even though , technically, not a tree. Harry

[Dwarf Fan]

I have Sabal minors from

4 different States & 2 different countries 

Sabal minor ‘Louisiana’ (Cameron, Louisiana)

Sabal minor ‘Louisiana’ (Little Elm, Texas)

Sabal minor ‘Austin, Texas’

Sabal minor ‘Tamaulipas’ Mexico

Sabal minor ‘McCurtain’ Oklahoma

Sabal minor ‘Baker’ Florida 

Sabal minor ‘Wakulla’ Florida

Sabal minor ‘Blountstown’ Florida

 

I know this is your thread Swolte so you make the rules but counting  “Oregon” because you sourced a S. Minor from Desertscape Nursery makes about as much sense as me listing the following: *This seems like cheating to list the following:

Sabal minor ‘Louisiana’ (Encinitas, California -Jungle Music Palms) 

Sabal minor ‘Louisiana’ (Louisville, Kentucky - Brian’s Botanical’s) 

 

Could we maybe keep this to NATIVE minor states because if not we will end up with frickin’ ‘Illinois’ or ‘Canada’ or who knows what is gonna get posted in this thread at some point. 🙃

Again it is your thread, I am merely a poster but I don’t want this going off the rails before it gets started… 

I guess you could legitimately add:

Lawrence, Kansas

Knoxville, Tennessee 

Nuevo León, Mexico

 

[Alex Zone 5]

Still growing in containers for now....

Texas (Louisiana)

North Carolina (Brazoria)

Virginia (plain Minor)

5 inground Minor probably from Florida 

 

 

[Swolte]

2 hours ago, Dwarf Fan said:

Could we maybe keep this to NATIVE minor states because if not we will end up with frickin’ ‘Illinois’ or ‘Canada’ or who knows what is gonna get posted in this thread at some point. 

Haha, sure, lets make it harder! In that case, I probably have 8 states so far! 

[OC2Texaspalmlvr]

3 hours ago, Dwarf Fan said:

Sabal minor ‘Louisiana’ (Cameron, Louisiana)

Sabal minor ‘Louisiana’ (Little Elm, Texas)

Is there a difference from these 2 ? If so what are the characteristics do they get bigger since its Texas haha 

T J 

[Dwarf Fan]

1 hour ago, OC2Texaspalmlvr said:

Is there a difference from these 2 ? If so what are the characteristics do they get bigger since its Texas haha 

T J 

I do not believe there is any difference.

I just really like Sabal minor ‘Louisiana’  so I have seedlings from several different sources.

I ordered a few ‘Louisiana’ Little Elm from Sabal King:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1V791fdbLMw4qya6OYa1KIgOe7jwam0V-n6BUV3K1ZDs/edit?gid=1323384675#gid=1323384675

I was send seeds from this Palm Talker:

https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/64203-palmetto-washed-up-on-beach-help/

I also ordered a Louisiana from Phil at Jungle Music Palms as well as one from Brian’s Botanicals.

The Louisiana is my favorite Sabal minor var. due to its growth characteristics I mean come on: a Sabal that grows relatively quickly (by Sabal standards) and has a maximum height of about 6’-12’ tall AND is cold Hardy to ~6F. 

I would much rather have a Louisiana than a Palmetto or Mexicana due to its compact size.

IMHO it really should be more widely grown as a landscaping/ornamental Palm.

 

[Dwarf Fan]

4 hours ago, Alex Zone 5 said:

Still growing in containers for now....

Texas (Louisiana)

North Carolina (Brazoria)

Virginia (plain Minor)

5 inground Minor probably from Florida 

 

 

Alex the Brazoria is originally from Texas.

[Dwarf Fan]

3 hours ago, Swolte said:

Haha, sure, lets make it harder! In that case, I probably have 8 states so far! 

I think I can guess most of your Sabal minor collection, but help me out I am sure I got one or two wrong… 🤔

1. Texas ‘Louisiana’ or ‘Brazoria’
2. Florida ‘Blountstown’
3. Georgia ‘Flori-Georgia’
4. North Carolina 'Emerald Island Giant'
5. Oregon
6. Virginia ‘Cape Charles’
7. Arkansas - Larger Eco-type minor from western Arkansas?
8. Oklahoma ’McCurtain’
9. Alabama ‘Cherokee’

Do you have a ‘Tamaulipas’ in your Sabal stable?

 

[OC2Texaspalmlvr]

1 hour ago, Dwarf Fan said:

I also ordered a Louisiana from Phil at Jungle Music Palms

That is where mine is from also ! I'm with you everyone should grow a Louisiana variety , also my favorite. Next I need is the NC Giant 

T J 

[Alex Zone 5]

6 hours ago, Dwarf Fan said:

Alex the Brazoria is originally from Texas.

Hahaha 😂 I have hand picked seeds from a 

Brazoria in N.C. 😉

Louisiana in T.X.😬

Cape Hatteras in V.A🙃

I too have Tamaulipa and Rosei. 

Sabal Minor seeds from Canada 😂🤣😂

[Chester B]

I only got two:

Florida - Sabal minor "Blountstown dwarf"

Texas - Sabal minor "Lake Houston Giant"

I named the second one.  They grow all around Lake Houston and there are thousands, more likely ten of thousands of them.   It's a very large minor that grow in excess of 8 feet tall and around.  They pop up everywhere in manicured landscapes with the ones growing at the base of trees surviving the landscapers.  Other areas of Houston I rarely or never see any minors.  I have seen some in the woods up by The Woodlands along but those ones seem to be a different variety.  I haven't seen them more than 3 foot big. 

[Dwarf Fan]

10 hours ago, Alex Zone 5 said:

Hahaha 😂 I have hand picked seeds from a 

Brazoria in N.C. 😉

Cape Hatteras in V.A 🙃

Sabal Minor seeds from Canada 🤣

Oh my, you will have to excuse me my head hurts, I might need to find a place so sit down for a moment. 🥴

[westfork]

We are growing some collected volunteers and some from seed from the small naturalized populations on the Cumberland Plateau in northern Tennessee.  They were obviously brought in from elsewhere but have been reproducing on their own for several decades.

[Swolte]

19 hours ago, Dwarf Fan said:

I think I can guess most of your Sabal minor collection, but help me out I am sure I got one or two wrong… 🤔

1. Texas ‘Louisiana’ or ‘Brazoria’
2. Florida ‘Blountstown’
3. Georgia ‘Flori-Georgia’
4. North Carolina 'Emerald Island Giant'
5. Oregon
6. Virginia ‘Cape Charles’
7. Arkansas - Larger Eco-type minor from western Arkansas?
8. Oklahoma ’McCurtain’
9. Alabama ‘Cherokee’

Do you have a ‘Tamaulipas’ in your Sabal stable?

 

Mostly correct!
1) I got one from NTHP that who, if I recall, told me it was from an area near Dallas. 
3) "Savannah Silver"
4) Yes, and also the "Cape Hatteras" and "Craven County"
7) Collected by Steve Anderson from seed in Warren Arkansas, my notes say. 

I have Tamaulipas too, yes. Great palm! I am not sure if the Brazoria and Louisiana should count as minors. They can trunk (and quite high) and are probably hybrids. My notes say the Flori-Georgia was originally from Florida and not Georgia but maybe @Sabal King can clarify. I have it too but wasn't sure where to put it 

The fun part about collecting states is that you have a reason to show off the minor collection (usually gets boring once visitors have seen one) and point out there's one from their home state!

There's still some states left to collect according to this thread and who knows there may be more undiscovered 'native' stands: 

@kinzyjr highlighted a map where they, according to my (now illegal 😛) personal rules (i.e., parent was found in wild stands present for extended times), could also be sourced from. 

[Swolte]

1 hour ago, westfork said:

We are growing some collected volunteers and some from seed from the small naturalized populations on the Cumberland Plateau in northern Tennessee.  They were obviously brought in from elsewhere but have been reproducing on their own for several decades.

That would count for me (personally) especially if they grow without any assistance for decades. Native is a relative term, depends on time and place! Please send me a PM if you have some small ones or seed available!
:)

[Fusca]

I only have Sabal minor 'Louisiana' but I do have several state quarters!  😆

[OC2Texaspalmlvr]

11 hours ago, Chester B said:

Texas - Sabal minor "Lake Houston Giant"

I'll take some of these seeds when you get some, ill trade you my own Louisiana seeds for them 😃

T J 

[kinzyjr]

1 hour ago, Swolte said:

highlighted a map where they, according to my (now illegal 😛) personal rules (i.e., parent was found in wild stands present for extended times), could also be sourced from. 

And I might even need to revise that map now to include the southern fringe of Cincinnati and the adjacent metro area of Covington in KY. 

https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/64810-cincinnati-palms-part-6/

There might be a few areas in Louisville, KY that could keep them around next to a building.

[Dwarf Fan]

 

2 hours ago, Swolte said:

Mostly correct!
1) I got one from NTHP that who, if I recall, told me it was from an area near Dallas. 
3) "Savannah Silver"
4) Yes, and also the "Cape Hatteras" and "Craven County"
7) Collected by Steve Anderson from seed in Warren Arkansas, my notes say. 
 

Oh I should have gotten #3 & #7 as I am very interested in these not so readily available minors, do you happen to have any pics?

Also QUESTION are either or BOTH of these a glaucous/powdery blue in color by chance?

3. ‘Savannah Silver’ 
7. Warren, AR

[westfork]

5 hours ago, Swolte said:

That would count for me (personally) especially if they grow without any assistance for decades. Native is a relative term, depends on time and place! Please send me a PM if you have some small ones or seed available!

I am fairly new to this and still trying to grow enough of these hardy ones to test up here.   If I am successful I will gladly share.   There no doubt are people here who have plants from this area since these populations which have naturalized since the 1950s were well known by IPS members back in the day.   Charles Cole spent a lifetime collecting hardy palms, experimenting, and generously sharing his knowledge and plants.   And in the following decades the genetics were shared with people even farther north where they naturalized up in then zone 6A/6B on the Cumberland Plateau near the Kentucky border.   They also have been very generous on spreading the plants, likely the random crosses of the most hardy palms.   The genetics no doubt toughened up by mixing genes with the most cold tolerant offspring surviving to continue the process during naturalization.  

[Chester B]

12 hours ago, OC2Texaspalmlvr said:

I'll take some of these seeds when you get some, ill trade you my own Louisiana seeds for them 😃

T J 

Not a problem.  I think they're usually ready for harvest Dec/Jan time frame?  I collected seeds this past year around the end of January and got good germination.  The only thing is you need to freeze the seeds for a couple of weeks to kill the weevil eggs.

[Swolte]

14 hours ago, Dwarf Fan said:

Oh I should have gotten #3 & #7 as I am very interested in these not so readily available minors, do you happen to have any pics?

Also QUESTION are either or BOTH of these a glaucous/powdery blue in color by chance?

3. ‘Savannah Silver’ 
7. Warren, AR

The Savannah silver is very young. A deer bit a frond off this Spring as well. Growth hasn't been great but those two fronds you see are the product of 2 summer months I am not sure I can speak to blue-ishness yet with this one. The Warren AR one has been growing very well but its also in a spot where water naturally runs off to and its not in full blasting Texas sun. Barely 2 years in the ground and it does have a blue sheen to it. Handsome plant. 

*Save some for me too, plz, @Chester B

[Las Palmas Norte]

I had a Sabal 'Lisa" seedling earlier this year. It's now Sabal 'Boot Hill'.

[OC2Texaspalmlvr]

9 hours ago, Chester B said:

The only thing is you need to freeze the seeds for a couple of weeks to kill the weevil eggs.

Is this common for this area 🤔 I have only tried local minor seeds once and got zero germination. 

T J 

[westfork]

3 minutes ago, OC2Texaspalmlvr said:

Is this common for this area 🤔 I have only tried local minor seeds once and got zero germination. 

T J 

But don't toss them.  They often germinate a year or two after planting.

[Chester B]

4 hours ago, OC2Texaspalmlvr said:

Is this common for this area 🤔 I have only tried local minor seeds once and got zero germination. 

T J 

I can’t say. All I know is that I collected seed and had them in the kitchen for a couple of months. One day I noticed a weevil in the bag of seed and then saw multiple ones. I tossed the weevils and immediately threw the seeds in the freezer for a couple of weeks. No more weevils after that. 
I’ve had weevils in Sabal seeds that I’ve bought in the past. I have to think it’s pretty common. 

[OC2Texaspalmlvr]

7 hours ago, Chester B said:

I’ve had weevils in Sabal seeds that I’ve bought in the past. I have to think it’s pretty common. 

Very interesting , I have germinated tons of sabal seeds, havent ran into them yet. Or maybe I just didn't notice 🤔 

T J 

[Patrick]

On 8/18/2024 at 4:37 PM, Dwarf Fan said:

I have Sabal minors from

4 different States & 2 different countries 

Sabal minor ‘Louisiana’ (Cameron, Louisiana)

Sabal minor ‘Louisiana’ (Little Elm, Texas)

Sabal minor ‘Austin, Texas’

Sabal minor ‘Tamaulipas’ Mexico

Sabal minor ‘McCurtain’ Oklahoma

Sabal minor ‘Baker’ Florida 

Sabal minor ‘Wakulla’ Florida

Sabal minor ‘Blountstown’ Florida

 

I know this is your thread Swolte so you make the rules but counting  “Oregon” because you sourced a S. Minor from Desertscape Nursery makes about as much sense as me listing the following: *This seems like cheating to list the following:

Sabal minor ‘Louisiana’ (Encinitas, California -Jungle Music Palms) 

Sabal minor ‘Louisiana’ (Louisville, Kentucky - Brian’s Botanical’s) 

 

Could we maybe keep this to NATIVE minor states because if not we will end up with frickin’ ‘Illinois’ or ‘Canada’ or who knows what is gonna get posted in this thread at some point. 🙃

Again it is your thread, I am merely a poster but I don’t want this going off the rails before it gets started… 

I guess you could legitimately add:

Lawrence, Kansas

Knoxville, Tennessee 

Nuevo León, Mexico

 

Sabal minor 'Paris' 😂😂

 

Joking aside, I was contemplating sending a few to my buddy that moved to Charleston; so I'm guessing they will grow just fine there; especially if there are groups native to Oklahoma. 

 

My only S. minor is native to sp. (I don't know). It's bad. I don't even remember where it came from, as in where I purchased it!

[Fusca]

11 hours ago, OC2Texaspalmlvr said:

Very interesting , I have germinated tons of sabal seeds, havent ran into them yet. Or maybe I just didn't notice 🤔 

T J 

Unfortunately the weevils are common with Phoenix seeds also.  I always thought they just went after fruits already on the ground but I collected some sylvestris fruits straight off the palm and still saw them.  Apparently the critters get into the flower to lay eggs and hatch within the fruit when it develops.  😠

[Fusca]

1 hour ago, Patrick said:

Sabal minor 'Paris' 😂😂

Interestingly there is a town Paris, Texas near the Oklahoma border so it wouldn't surprise me to see someone selling seeds of this name!  😄

[cm05]

I’m down to 1.5 minors.

Sabal minor “Louisiana”

Sabal “Birmingham”

My Louisiana is potted in mucky potting soil and drinks like a fish, we had 8.5 inches of rain in 4 hours the other day and the excess water in its saucer was gone in a day.

I’ve had Sabal minor from North Carolina, Maryland, Dallas and probably a few other places and they’ve all perished, all planted too young I think, they never made it to the end of the summer planted in the ground in full sun.

[GregVirginia7]

McCurtain County, Oklahoma:

This arrived maybe 8 years ago in a 3” pot in February so I nestled it under the protected Chamaerops for the rest of the winter and put it in the ground the following spring. A true no protection palm in my zone here. Zero protection since planting.

[RFun]

The Carolinas and Southeastern Georgia are great places to see them in habitat.  You have a lot of accessible areas in this region where the Sabal minors are located near highways.  You could spend weeks exploring for them in these areas.

[RFun]

On 8/22/2024 at 7:18 PM, cm05 said:

I’m down to 1.5 minors.

Sabal minor “Louisiana”

Sabal “Birmingham”

My Louisiana is potted in mucky potting soil and drinks like a fish, we had 8.5 inches of rain in 4 hours the other day and the excess water in its saucer was gone in a day.

I’ve had Sabal minor from North Carolina, Maryland, Dallas and probably a few other places and they’ve all perished, all planted too young I think, they never made it to the end of the summer planted in the ground in full sun.

If you planted them in full sun and they didn't make it until the end of Summer, it was likely a lack of watering.  They need water in full sun spots (that aren't naturally moist) to get established.

[Sabal King]

On 8/19/2024 at 10:12 PM, Dwarf Fan said:

 

Oh I should have gotten #3 & #7 as I am very interested in these not so readily available minors, do you happen to have any pics?

Also QUESTION are either or BOTH of these a glaucous/powdery blue in color by chance?

3. ‘Savannah Silver’ 
7. Warren, AR

My Warren, AK should seed next year.  I’ve got two and they’re getting beefy!

[Dwarf Fan]

4 hours ago, Sabal King said:

My Warren, AK should seed next year.  I’ve got two and they’re getting beefy!

Nice, I would love to see some pics, hopefully you get a bunch of seeds to germinate and add to your spreadsheet catalog. 

Put me down for one of those as well as a Sabal minor ‘Nuevo Leon’ whenever they are available for sale.

[Sabal King]

4 minutes ago, Dwarf Fan said:

Nice, I would love to see some pics, hopefully you get a bunch of seeds to germinate and add to your spreadsheet catalog. 

Put me down for one of those as well as a Sabal minor ‘Nuevo Leon’ whenever they are available for sale.

hah!!  I don't need more rows in this spreadsheet, albeit when I finish potting what is out there I will have another 4-5 rows....    I haven't lost a single one of those nuevo leon so it will be interesting to see those get larger.