Palm ID's

[redant]

I have collected lots of unusual stuff from Jeff Marcus. Many times by the time they are big enough to go in the ground the tags have lost their name. I'd enjoy knowing what some of these sweet little ones are. Palms 2, 3 and 4 seem to be clumpers, 1 is solitary .

Edited April 1, 2024 by redant

[Fishinsteeg234]

@redant I believe #4 may be Pinanga sp. "Maroon Crownshaft". Its looks quite similar to mine I purchased from MB palms at the Leu gardens plant sale back in 2023. It’s also listed  available on the Floribunda website. 

 

[redant]

1 hour ago, Fishinsteeg234 said:

@redant I believe #4 may be Pinanga sp. "Maroon Crownshaft". Its looks quite similar to mine I purchased from MB palms at the Leu gardens plant sale back in 2023. It’s also listed  available on the Floribunda website. 

 

Thanks, after looking at my list I think you are very close, guessing it's pinanga philippinensis compact Going to have to get one of the Maroon now lol

[D. Morrowii]

Number 4 looks like Cyphophoenix to me maybe nucele. 1 reminds me of Calyptrocalyx hollrungii does it get a red leaf ever? 2 I’ll WAG its some kind of Geonoma. 3 I’ve got nothing.  Not sure on any of them, just like to try

[redant]

On 4/2/2024 at 11:18 AM, D. Morrowii said:

Number 4 looks like Cyphophoenix to me maybe nucele. 1 reminds me of Calyptrocalyx hollrungii does it get a red leaf ever? 2 I’ll WAG its some kind of Geonoma. 3 I’ve got nothing.  Not sure on any of them, just like to try

1 sees correct as I had bought one and yes it gets a red new leaf.  #2 again correct, bought a Geonoma sp. entire leaf.  Thank you

[Palmarum]

On 4/1/2024 at 12:00 PM, redant said:

I have collected lots of unusual stuff from Jeff Marcus. Many times by the time they are big enough to go in the ground the tags have lost their name. I'd enjoy knowing what some of these sweet little ones are. Palms 2, 3 and 4 seem to be clumpers, 1 is solitary . ...

Nothing definitive to species.... but,

#1 - Resembles a palm that came out with the name 'Dypsis sp. 'Entire Leaf'. A closer look might help, but I only saw smaller plants.

#2 - A Hydriastele for sure, might be one that entered cultivation as Hydriastele sp. 'Metallic' which has that shiny, reflective surface on the leaflets. It gets more intense on older, lower leaves. Some thought it could be a new form of H. pinangoides. 

#3 - A Calyptrocalyx for sure. It looks like the leaves are going to divide more into random segments and thin leaflets. It could easily be C. hollrungii and also resembles C. sp. 'Mara'.

#4 - A Pinanga of some kind, it does look a lot like the P. sp. 'Maroon Crownshaft' seen above.

All plants are well-grown and should share their identities with greater detail as they age. 

Ryan

[peachy]

I though photo 1 looks just like a Calyptrocalyx (probably hollrungii) but the others .......no idea.

[redant]

20 hours ago, Palmarum said:

Nothing definitive to species.... but,

#1 - Resembles a palm that came out with the name 'Dypsis sp. 'Entire Leaf'. A closer look might help, but I only saw smaller plants.

#2 - A Hydriastele for sure, might be one that entered cultivation as Hydriastele sp. 'Metallic' which has that shiny, reflective surface on the leaflets. It gets more intense on older, lower leaves. Some thought it could be a new form of H. pinangoides. 

#3 - A Calyptrocalyx for sure. It looks like the leaves are going to divide more into random segments and thin leaflets. It could easily be C. hollrungii and also resembles C. sp. 'Mara'.

#4 - A Pinanga of some kind, it does look a lot like the P. sp. 'Maroon Crownshaft' seen above.

All plants are well-grown and should share their identities with greater detail as they age. 

Ryan

I'm going to have to review my past orders, I know your one of the better authorities, thanks for the input. #1 does get a red new frond if that helps or hurts lol.

[Palmarum]

3 hours ago, redant said:

I'm going to have to review my past orders, I know your one of the better authorities, thanks for the input. #1 does get a red new frond if that helps or hurts lol.

That #1 does look interesting. It grabs one's attention. I would have grabbed it at a sale in an instant. 

Are the leafbases split or do they look like they are forming a crownshaft? Two of the leaves, one at the photo top (12 o'clock) and the other to the right (3 o'clock) look as if they have a notch in the same spot. Are the notches natural or caused by contact? The separation could be a hint that the leaves will divide over time or remain semi-bifid. 

Before you mentioned it had a red new leaf, I thought it could be one of the understory, entire or nearly entire leaf Areca species. I also thought Geonoma, but those palms tend to have sharp, pointed leaf tips and #1 has rounded, blunt leaf tips. D. Morrowii mentioned it being another Calyptrocalyx and it is possible if the leaf bases are split and fibrous (and it would explain the leaf notches).

What is throwing me off a bit is the solitary habit and the heavier than usual recurve form of the leaves. It could still clump as it looks small, like a large 1-gal. or a small 3-gal. sized plant. It could be growing out of the recurve, creating straighter leaves. The puzzle tickles the brain. It looks familiar but doesn't at the same time. Fading tags are a problem. I am getting into the habit of writing the names on the pot or doubling the tag with one buried deep in the pot. 

Ryan

[peachy]

5 hours ago, redant said:

I'm going to have to review my past orders, I know your one of the better authorities, thanks for the input. #1 does get a red new frond if that helps or hurts lol.

Calyptrocalyx get lovely red new leaves and they stay red for quite a while.

[redant]

17 hours ago, peachy said:

Calyptrocalyx get lovely red new leaves and they stay red for quite a while.

I did buy several so it's a likely candidate. 

[redant]

19 hours ago, Palmarum said:

That #1 does look interesting. It grabs one's attention. I would have grabbed it at a sale in an instant. 

Are the leafbases split or do they look like they are forming a crownshaft? Two of the leaves, one at the photo top (12 o'clock) and the other to the right (3 o'clock) look as if they have a notch in the same spot. Are the notches natural or caused by contact? The separation could be a hint that the leaves will divide over time or remain semi-bifid. 

Before you mentioned it had a red new leaf, I thought it could be one of the understory, entire or nearly entire leaf Areca species. I also thought Geonoma, but those palms tend to have sharp, pointed leaf tips and #1 has rounded, blunt leaf tips. D. Morrowii mentioned it being another Calyptrocalyx and it is possible if the leaf bases are split and fibrous (and it would explain the leaf notches).

What is throwing me off a bit is the solitary habit and the heavier than usual recurve form of the leaves. It could still clump as it looks small, like a large 1-gal. or a small 3-gal. sized plant. It could be growing out of the recurve, creating straighter leaves. The puzzle tickles the brain. It looks familiar but doesn't at the same time. Fading tags are a problem. I am getting into the habit of writing the names on the pot or doubling the tag with one buried deep in the pot. 

Ryan

My daughter always wanted me to do those metal tags, would have been a great idea. I'll get some more pictures of it.

 

[Palmarum]

2 hours ago, redant said:

My daughter always wanted me to do those metal tags, would have been a great idea. I'll get some more pictures of it.

The metal or aluminum embossed plant tags are ok, as they allow you to carry the tag along with the palm when you plant it. After it goes in, you attach the tag with a stake and some plastic coated, coiled wire. They can still break though. The metal ribbon kind is the same way if you have the dial-a-letter tool. It comes down to time.

I still look for old window blinds at yard sales and flea markets as cut blinds make great tags, with pencils, china markers or a paint marker. 

Ryan

[redant]

On 4/5/2024 at 3:48 PM, Palmarum said:

That #1 does look interesting. It grabs one's attention. I would have grabbed it at a sale in an instant. 

Are the leafbases split or do they look like they are forming a crownshaft? Two of the leaves, one at the photo top (12 o'clock) and the other to the right (3 o'clock) look as if they have a notch in the same spot. Are the notches natural or caused by contact? The separation could be a hint that the leaves will divide over time or remain semi-bifid. 

Before you mentioned it had a red new leaf, I thought it could be one of the understory, entire or nearly entire leaf Areca species. I also thought Geonoma, but those palms tend to have sharp, pointed leaf tips and #1 has rounded, blunt leaf tips. D. Morrowii mentioned it being another Calyptrocalyx and it is possible if the leaf bases are split and fibrous (and it would explain the leaf notches).

What is throwing me off a bit is the solitary habit and the heavier than usual recurve form of the leaves. It could still clump as it looks small, like a large 1-gal. or a small 3-gal. sized plant. It could be growing out of the recurve, creating straighter leaves. The puzzle tickles the brain. It looks familiar but doesn't at the same time. Fading tags are a problem. I am getting into the habit of writing the names on the pot or doubling the tag with one buried deep in the pot. 

Ryan

This is the stem/base of that one.

[Palmarum]

2 hours ago, redant said:

This is the stem/base of that one. ...

I spy split leaf bases and short petioles. The petioles might have some speckling as well. What I see pushes it further towards Calyptrocalyx. It could still begin clumping at some point, even if just one or two suckers total. If it was one of the solitary species, it should have larger, fully divided leaves with broad leaflets by now. It will be fun to watch him grow. 

That Zamia furfuracea seedling in the upper left will keep an eye on the palm. 

Ryan

[redant]

21 hours ago, Palmarum said:

I spy split leaf bases and short petioles. The petioles might have some speckling as well. What I see pushes it further towards Calyptrocalyx. It could still begin clumping at some point, even if just one or two suckers total. If it was one of the solitary species, it should have larger, fully divided leaves with broad leaflets by now. It will be fun to watch him grow. 

That Zamia furfuracea seedling in the upper left will keep an eye on the palm. 

Ryan

appreciate the insight.