Palm recommendation for new landscaping around pool

[TropicalArizona]

Location: Surprise, AZ 85388

Zone: 9b

 

I am landscaping my backyard in a newly built neighborhood in Arizona. My pool and hardscaping are finished. I am going to be adding irrigation and soil.  I have 3 locations that I am considering planting some palm trees. I am new to the area and have never grown palms before. I'd like to add 2-4 trees. The varieties that I have in mind thus far are...

Mule Palm

Foxtail Palm

Windmill Palm

 

I want the experienced to weigh in on my decision of types I have been thinking about for my area. Let's start with one area at a time.

 

Area 1: Located at the east end of my pool (west facing). There is an area that is just over 4ft wide between the tile decking around the pool and the wall around my yard. Ideally I'd like to two trees here spaced out about 12-14ft apart.

 

Possible cons of this location that I can think of:

Small space between decking and wall.

Close to pool.

Sun exposure. All day from south and west once it reaches a height higher than the wall. The wall only provides morning shade while small.

Heat radiating off the wall.

 

With all these cons. Is it even realistic to plant any palms in this area?

[Allen]

Not a Az expert but without getting into the palm selection I would like to suggest that any palm planted there may hang over the neighbor's property line and here a neighbor can cut anything hanging over the line.  A mule palm frond can be 10' plus and would hang over let's say at least 6+ feet.  You might have a understanding neighbor now but they might move.  The foxtail and windmill would not be as prone.  

[TropicalArizona]

  On 3/5/2024 at 6:55 PM, Allen said:

Not a Az expert but without getting into the palm selection I would like to suggest that any palm planted there may hang over the neighbor's property line and here a neighbor can cut anything hanging over the line.  A mule palm frond can be 10' plus and would hang over let's say at least 6+ feet.  You might have a understanding neighbor now but they might move.  The foxtail and windmill would not be as prone.  

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Definitely something to consider. Thank you!

[Silas_Sancona]

Mules would be the most ideal of the Pinnate - type palm options.. Though there are a few others, ..they're just a lot harder to find. Several experienced members here in the area who will likely chime in, who also sell the " good " stuff.

Whatever you research, don't fall for Queen palms... Worst option for our area..

That said, if the wall in the pictures faces due west / sun hits it after say 11AM until 5-7PM or sundown, it will COOK.. Back of the house here faces west and ..yeah, lol  ..it cooks..

  If you haven't been here through a summer yet, you'll understand what that means once it is 110-115F -every day, after ~roughly~ the second week in June, until ..mid / late August ( Depending on how Monsoon season shapes up this year / each summer here )

Forget Windmills... Wayy too hot for them here..  European Fan Palms do very well though / are planted extensively. 

Bigger, but regionally native palms like Sabal uresana, numerous Brahea species ( B. armata being the easiest to find ) ..and Sabal species might be other good, ..and more unique.. fan palm - type options to research.

Bismarckia  are heat lovers as well, but will get BIG ( Beautiful though )


I see what looks like a dormant Plumeria in one of the pictures.  Don't recommend planting it / any others on that west facing wall.. They will cook. E.  facing wall that gets some afternoon shade would be more ideal..

West facing wall, you'll want to research any AZ plants that take " reflected heat ".. 

Good luck,  and welcome aboard!

 

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[TropicalArizona]

  On 3/5/2024 at 7:17 PM, Silas_Sancona said:

Mules would be the most ideal of the Pinnate - type palm options.. Though there are a few others, ..they're just a lot harder to find. Several experienced members here in the area who will likely chime in, who also sell the " good " stuff.

Whatever you research, don't fall for Queen palms... Worst option for our area..

That said, if the wall in the pictures faces due west / sun hits it after say 11AM until 5-7PM or sundown, it will COOK.. Back of the house here faces west and ..yeah, lol  ..it cooks..

  If you haven't been here through a summer yet, you'll understand what that means once it is 110-115F -every day, after ~roughly~ the second week in June, until ..mid / late August ( Depending on how Monsoon season shapes up this year / each summer here )

Forget Windmills... Wayy too hot for them here..  European Fan Palms do very well though / are planted extensively. 

Bigger, but regionally native palms like Sabal uresana, numerous Brahea species ( B. armata being the easiest to find ) ..and Sabal species might be other good, ..and more unique.. fan palm - type options to research.

Bismarckia  are heat lovers as well, but will get BIG ( Beautiful though )


I see what looks like a dormant Plumeria in one of the pictures.  Don't recommend planting it / any others on that west facing wall.. They will cook. E.  facing wall that gets some afternoon shade would be more ideal..

West facing wall, you'll want to research any AZ plants that take " reflected heat ".. 

Good luck,  and welcome aboard!

 

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Thanks for the warm welcome and great suggestions! I'll look into these.

[Looking Glass]

This is a very small space (4feet wide), right up against a neighbor.  An adult, large palm like a Foxtail, or Bismark….  The trunk circumference alone would fill the majority of the space you have there over time, with the majority of the fronds on one side, going onto the neighbor’s property.   You would have overhang of 10+ feet on one side, over the fence, into the neighbors.  

Here is what a space that is 18 feet long and 10 feet wide looks like with a young, double pygmy date palm/roebelenii and a baby coccothrinax and some cat palms.   You can see the crown of this small palm takes up the entire 10 foot width.  One of the pygmy date palm heads also overhangs the sidewalk by an additional 4 feet.  

Not to discourage you.  You definitely have room for small palms, but heat and sun will be an issue.  You also have room for lots of small trees, shrubs, and accent plants that would tolerate the local climate quite well if chosen wisely.   Chamaerops humilis  would likely be a great choice as mentioned above.  

[Palmfarmer]

Windmill will probably get a small crown and look bad once clearing the wall I am afraid of. 
Chamaerops humilis could be a good alternative. You can have a blue clump on the left and a green one on the right with a bigger palm in the middle. Mule could be a great species for that as you had in mind. If it is problematic that the palm extends out of your property you could go with something like a king palm or foxtail as you mentioned. 
 

is Majesty palm possible to grow in Phoenix without it looking all burnt most of the time? 

[Silas_Sancona]

  On 3/5/2024 at 10:34 PM, Palmfarmer said:

 

is Majesty palm possible to grow in Phoenix without it looking all burnt most of the time? 

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Majesties would be tough -long term- unless your yard butts up to a pond / man made lake ...or you have unlimited access to water -99.9% of folks here don't have that option-  ..and the area they are planted in sees some high canopy shade in the afternoon.  Actually a couple neighborhoods nearby that have such exposures )  Kings?,  fired once they see full sun. Ones brought into the BBx stores during the summer barely last until fall before they're tossed out ( from being fired ).

[Palmfarmer]

  On 3/5/2024 at 10:58 PM, Silas_Sancona said:

Majesties would be tough -long term- unless your yard butts up to a pond / man made lake ...or you have unlimited access to water -99.9% of folks here don't have that option-  ..and the area they are planted in sees some high canopy shade in the afternoon.  Actually a couple neighborhoods nearby that have such exposures )  Kings?,  fired once they see full sun. Ones brought into the BBx stores during the summer barely last until fall before they're tossed out ( from being fired ).

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I see. I think so would do one Filibera on each side and some blue Brahea in the middle. It would be crowded, but once they clear the wall they will look so amazing.

 

[TropicalArizona]

Ok so not looking good for any of the palms that I am wanting for Area #1. Keep leaving any other suggestions and I will continue my research for this area.  I will post pics and details for Area #2 tomorrow. 

[TropicalArizona]

  On 3/5/2024 at 9:50 PM, Looking Glass said:

This is a very small space (4feet wide), right up against a neighbor.  An adult, large palm like a Foxtail, or Bismark….  The trunk circumference alone would fill the majority of the space you have there over time, with the majority of the fronds on one side, going onto the neighbor’s property.   You would have overhang of 10+ feet on one side, over the fence, into the neighbors.  

Here is what a space that is 18 feet long and 10 feet wide looks like with a young, double pygmy date palm/roebelenii and a baby coccothrinax and some cat palms.   You can see the crown of this small palm takes up the entire 10 foot width.  One of the pygmy date palm heads also overhangs the sidewalk by an additional 4 feet.  

Not to discourage you.  You definitely have room for small palms, but heat and sun will be an issue.  You also have room for lots of small trees, shrubs, and accent plants that would tolerate the local climate quite well if chosen wisely.   Chamaerops humilis  would likely be a great choice as mentioned above.  

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Can I just have your landscaping!!! It would look awesome around my pool!!

[tim_brissy_13]

Maybe Coccothrinax or Schippia? A small to mid size fan palm with heat tolerance and no spines would be ideal. 

[Palmfarmer]

  On 3/5/2024 at 11:53 PM, TropicalArizona said:

Can I just have your landscaping!!! It would look awesome around my pool!!

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Pygmies if decently cared for can certainly look great. Especially if they have a little bit of reclinata in them. 
 

you looked into perhaps a triangle palm in the middle along the fence and pygmies to the side of it. My triangle does great here in desert climate. Among the more sun hardy species I have I think. 
 

Tedy bear palms could potentially be an Option too. I have some here. They burn some in spring but green up not long after. 

[Looking Glass]

  On 3/5/2024 at 11:53 PM, TropicalArizona said:

Can I just have your landscaping!!! It would look awesome around my pool!!

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With stuff like this…. “Right plant, right place” principles are pretty important.  You’re not going to be able to make a pool setting like you’d see in Hawaii or South Florida, any more than they could make one like yours.  But why would you want to?….  You’re in Arizona.    Embrace it.  You can make a great looking natural environment and create a collection that flows with your specific geographic area, and will be happy and grow well.  Different areas of the country should actually look different.  

You can select a bunch of plants and some palms that will be happy with your sun and heat and dry conditions.  If you choose well and take care of things, your yard will look great, relaxing, and very natural.  

Look to the desert friendly palms, that can take it where you are.  Some Carribean and Cuban stuff can do well there too.   Don’t forget about the trees, shrubs, and accent plants.  Boulders, borders, and rock substrate add interest.  Think about what you want to get out of the plants you choose (shade, boarders, screening, interest, color, texture, ground cover).   Look to local landscaping and gardening resources for ideas.  Think how things will look 10 years out.  

Your summer heat & sun is limiting, and so is your winter cold.  But that’s ok, we all have to work within our environmental limitations.  You have lots of great choices for landscaping.

My goal for a yard or garden is always to have something that looks like it grew there naturally in my area….  but idealized…. And on steroids!  

 

[Navarro]

Una palmera adulta la puedes colocar acostada hacia la piscina y tendría un efecto muy exótico con la curva en el tronco cuando crezca  y la corona quedaría dentro de tu propiedad .

Busca imágenes en internet de como se ven otras ,cuando las he visto me quedado fascinado .

Otra opción sería utilizar macrozamias de relleno 

[Navarro]

[PalmatierMeg]

I can’t grow them but I’m thinking one of the Braheas, if any of them can fit into such a narrow space. My point is you should look for drought tolerant palms that can take the heat of the US southwest. Most of those are palmate/fan palms even though you have chosen pinnate palms so I suggest you expand your choices. I l love the Coccothrinax and many of them stay mid-sized. Schippia may also be a good choice. The only crownshafted pinnate palm I know of that does relatively well in AZ is Pseudophoenix sargentii. This is a tough Caribbean palm used to heat, drought and sandy soil but how available it is in AZ I don’t know.

[TropicalArizona]

While I am taking in all the suggestions ( a lot to consider) for Area #1 I am going to post Area #2 to start getting suggestions. Area #2 is in my backyard near the pool as well. I'm still interested in the same palms as I stated for Area #1 even though for Area #1 I was told not the best choices. But hey, that's why I am here, to get feedback/suggestions. I am sure a lot of the same suggestions apply to this area as well. 

As a reminder, here are the details:
 

Location: Surprise, AZ 85388

Zone: 9b

I am landscaping my backyard in a newly built neighborhood in Arizona. My pool and hardscaping are finished. I am going to be adding irrigation and soil.  I have 3 locations that I am considering planting some palm trees. I am new to the area and have never grown palms before. I'd like to add 2-4 trees. The varieties that I have in mind thus far are...

Mule Palm

Foxtail Palm

Windmill Palm

Area #2 is in the North/West corner of my yard. It is facing South and East. It will still get sun from the west once it grows above the wall height (6ft). There is 9 1/2 ft distance between the decking around the spa and the wall.  I am looking to place 1 palm here. 

 

 

[Allen]

  On 3/6/2024 at 5:45 PM, TropicalArizona said:

While I am taking in all the suggestions ( a lot to consider) for Area #1 I am going to post Area #2 to start getting suggestions. Area #2 is in my backyard near the pool as well. I'm still interested in the same palms as I stated for Area #1 even though for Area #1 I was told not the best choices. But hey, that's why I am here, to get feedback/suggestions. I am sure a lot of the same suggestions apply to this area as well. 

As a reminder, here are the details:
 

Location: Surprise, AZ 85388

Zone: 9b

I am landscaping my backyard in a newly built neighborhood in Arizona. My pool and hardscaping are finished. I am going to be adding irrigation and soil.  I have 3 locations that I am considering planting some palm trees. I am new to the area and have never grown palms before. I'd like to add 2-4 trees. The varieties that I have in mind thus far are...

Mule Palm

Foxtail Palm

Windmill Palm

Area #2 is in the North/West corner of my yard. It is facing South and East. It will still get sun from the west once it grows above the wall height (6ft). There is 9 1/2 ft distance between the decking around the spa and the wall.  I am looking to place 1 palm here. 

 

 

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Look I'm in TN so me commenting should be a grain of salt on plant selection but I'd put the European fan in middle of that corner, a mule in the other corner, on the back cactus/agave or whatever will live there, down the right side in the middle a tall yucca (If that will live there), in between smaller filler cactus or desert plants, irrigation lines and decorative stone on top.  

[Silas_Sancona]

  On 3/6/2024 at 5:45 PM, TropicalArizona said:

While I am taking in all the suggestions ( a lot to consider) for Area #1 I am going to post Area #2 to start getting suggestions. Area #2 is in my backyard near the pool as well. I'm still interested in the same palms as I stated for Area #1 even though for Area #1 I was told not the best choices. But hey, that's why I am here, to get feedback/suggestions. I am sure a lot of the same suggestions apply to this area as well. 

As a reminder, here are the details:
 

Location: Surprise, AZ 85388

Zone: 9b

I am landscaping my backyard in a newly built neighborhood in Arizona. My pool and hardscaping are finished. I am going to be adding irrigation and soil.  I have 3 locations that I am considering planting some palm trees. I am new to the area and have never grown palms before. I'd like to add 2-4 trees. The varieties that I have in mind thus far are...

Mule Palm

Foxtail Palm

Windmill Palm

Area #2 is in the North/West corner of my yard. It is facing South and East. It will still get sun from the west once it grows above the wall height (6ft). There is 9 1/2 ft distance between the decking around the spa and the wall.  I am looking to place 1 palm here. 

 

 

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To my eye ..No worries if wrong,  Space looks big enough for pair of something large, like Brahea armata, or Washingtonia filifera ( legit specimen(s), not the cross )  ...or maybe a Mule, if something pinnate / coconut- esque is what you're envisioning for that spot.    ..for something tall at least.  Other options that have been mentioned too of course..

Because palms don't produce woody roots, you'd be fine / have enough space for planting a pair of the palms i'd mentioned above.. Roots won't bother the block walls or your pool / patio area.

Can see adding in a few Pygmys around the taller Palm(s) for something shorter / won't get much taller than the block wall / help soften it / block the view from your neighbors, that will also add to the coconut like look to that area of the yard..

Something i forgot to add earlier.. If you have room for any, some shorter tree options, ..Nothing huge since it looks like space is limited ..and you don't want anything that would create a big maintenance issue for the pool, would be great on that side of the yard ( Assuming the yard side of the wall faces east ) to both provide some afternoon shade for the yard, and overhead canopy near that wall where you could experiment with some tougher, but tender ( in sun ) tropical looking leafy stuff once there is some shade above..

Yea, they're kind of common but Canna Lilies handle our heat, as can Split Leaf Philodendron, White bird of Paradise, traditional Hibiscus, and some uncommon, shorter Cycads ( Coonties, species in the Genus Dioon ) If they have some overhead shade.

Some other options as well, but some of those will be harder to find in nurseries here. You'd be surprised what you can get away with here, if you have some shade.

Note the Plumeria in the pictures too, that's a perfect spot for them as well  ...A: for providing something colorful and fragrant while using the pool / spa,  and B: because the trunks / branches won't get blasted by late afternoon sun/ extra roasted by reflected heat from a west facing wall, esp. if mixed among palms / other stuff that will provide shade until the plumeria are tall enough to shade themselves.



Out of curiosity, what -general- area  of Surprise are you located?  closer to White Tanks?  more on the outskirts further north, up by Sun City West? or more in the center of Surprise? ..I ask only because each area will have a slightly different influence on how chilly you might get during " winter " here..  ..I use " winter " somewhat loosely because we really don't have one ..compared to a lot of spots in the country.

[Allen]

Something like this but there are lots of variables

[TropicalArizona]

  On 3/6/2024 at 6:28 PM, Silas_Sancona said:

To my eye ..No worries if wrong,  Space looks big enough for pair of something large, like Brahea armata, or Washingtonia filifera ( legit specimen(s), not the cross )  ...or maybe a Mule, if something pinnate / coconut- esque is what you're envisioning for that spot.    ..for something tall at least.  Other options that have been mentioned too of course..

Because palms don't produce woody roots, you'd be fine / have enough space for planting a pair of the palms i'd mentioned above.. Roots won't bother the block walls or your pool / patio area.

Can see adding in a few Pygmys around the taller Palm(s) for something shorter / won't get much taller than the block wall / help soften it / block the view from your neighbors, that will also add to the coconut like look to that area of the yard..

Something i forgot to add earlier.. If you have room for any, some shorter tree options, ..Nothing huge since it looks like space is limited ..and you don't want anything that would create a big maintenance issue for the pool, would be great on that side of the yard ( Assuming the yard side of the wall faces east ) to both provide some afternoon shade for the yard, and overhead canopy near that wall where you could experiment with some tougher, but tender ( in sun ) tropical looking leafy stuff once there is some shade above..

Yea, they're kind of common but Canna Lilies handle our heat, as can Split Leaf Philodendron, White bird of Paradise, traditional Hibiscus, and some uncommon, shorter Cycads ( Coonties, species in the Genus Dioon ) If they have some overhead shade.

Some other options as well, but some of those will be harder to find in nurseries here. You'd be surprised what you can get away with here, if you have some shade.

Note the Plumeria in the pictures too, that's a perfect spot for them as well  ...A: for providing something colorful and fragrant while using the pool / spa,  and B: because the trunks / branches won't get blasted by late afternoon sun/ extra roasted by reflected heat from a west facing wall, esp. if mixed among palms / other stuff that will provide shade until the plumeria are tall enough to shade themselves.



Out of curiosity, what -general- area  of Surprise are you located?  closer to White Tanks?  more on the outskirts further north, up by Sun City West? or more in the center of Surprise? ..I ask only because each area will have a slightly different influence on how chilly you might get during " winter " here..  ..I use " winter " somewhat loosely because we really don't have one ..compared to a lot of spots in the country.

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Thank you for all the suggestions!! I am located roughly off Cactus and Cotton. Just west of the 303.

[TropicalArizona]

  On 3/6/2024 at 7:33 PM, Allen said:

Something like this but there are lots of variables

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Wow that's fun! I wan't expecting a detailed design. That's awesome! Thank you so much. By the way, do you post videos on Youtube? In my palm research I believe I have come across a few of your videos. 

Edited March 6, 2024 by TropicalArizona

[Allen]

  On 3/6/2024 at 8:03 PM, TropicalArizona said:

Wow that's fun! I wan't expecting a detailed design. That's awesome! Thank you so much. By the way, do you post videos on Youtube? In my palm research I believe I have come across a few of your videos. 

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Yea no problem you get what you pay for!  I'm no landscape designer.  I just wanted to give a general idea how it would look.  Yea I have a Youtube with a more tropical type area pool.   If canna would live there as a above poster said, they would be a great addition as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv5I0TbkN8s&list=PLpVDrk5W7jTdljjjwvzxBMMjqBWf9kgrE&index=3

 

 

[Looking Glass]

Those models are really nice, but also remember when you do them, to make your calculations based on more adult sized palms and plants.  Take the pic of the foxtail above….  In reality, the adult fronds will overhang the pool by about 5 feet, and hang over the fence by about 5 feet.  If you think this way, you’ll be able to create a great long term plan, and avoid future problems.  

Here’s pic of some of the palm types mentioned by others above.  
 

Pseudophoenix Sargentii… (great slow growers)

Chrysalidocarpus/ Dypsis decarii… (large, upright fronds out of the way, might be too cold for this one)

Brahea species… (made for your climate)

Pindo palm…. (Messy fruit, maybe too hot)

Copernicia …. (Larger, interesting, armed petiole group)

Coccothrinax….   (Small, interesting, unarmed group)

[Hamandah]

  On 3/5/2024 at 9:50 PM, Looking Glass said:

This is a very small space (4feet wide), right up against a neighbor.  An adult, large palm like a Foxtail, or Bismark….  The trunk circumference alone would fill the majority of the space you have there over time, with the majority of the fronds on one side, going onto the neighbor’s property.   You would have overhang of 10+ feet on one side, over the fence, into the neighbors.  

Here is what a space that is 18 feet long and 10 feet wide looks like with a young, double pygmy date palm/roebelenii and a baby coccothrinax and some cat palms.   You can see the crown of this small palm takes up the entire 10 foot width.  One of the pygmy date palm heads also overhangs the sidewalk by an additional 4 feet.  

Not to discourage you.  You definitely have room for small palms, but heat and sun will be an issue.  You also have room for lots of small trees, shrubs, and accent plants that would tolerate the local climate quite well if chosen wisely.   Chamaerops humilis  would likely be a great choice as mentioned above.  

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This is an older post but Dan I ask what the tall red leafy stuff is toward the left of the picture??  It’s so pretty!

[Looking Glass]

Cordyline fruticosa/Ti…..  I have a 4 types.   They are fairly sun sensitive here.  Happiest in winter.  I cut them in half and stick the top end in the ground when they get too tall, so they keep multiplying.  

Three kinds here… (Red sister, and two others)

“Black Magic” gets kind of huge for me and is perhaps my slowest….

 

The one with the pink top is most sun sensitive.  Fried a little this spring already.  

 

They say the “Red Pepper” variety is very sun tolerant here, so I’d like to get my hands on a couple 3 gallons of those and give them a try.   “Red Sister” does handle some sun here.  

[Hamandah]

  On 4/4/2024 at 7:48 PM, Looking Glass said:

Cordyline fruticosa/Ti…..  I have a 4 types.   They are fairly sun sensitive here.  Happiest in winter.  I cut them in half and stick the top end in the ground when they get too tall, so they keep multiplying.  

Three kinds here… (Red sister, and two others)

“Black Magic” gets kind of huge for me and is perhaps my slowest….

 

The one with the pink top is most sun sensitive.  Fried a little this spring already.  

 

They say the “Red Pepper” variety is very sun tolerant here, so I’d like to get my hands on a couple 3 gallons of those and give them a try.   “Red Sister” does handle some sun here.  

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Beautiful! I love all of them! I want some in our landscape but not sure if any of these types will survive in Sacramento if they don’t take the heat?? 

[redbeard917]

I'm not very familiar with your climate, so please take this with a grain of salt and do your own research. That being said, there is another person on this forum who I believe has good results with Pseudophoenix in Arizona. It's a desirable palm, pinnate, good color, and small enough in stature to make sense with the space. They are slow growing, so unless you have money to throw at a large specimen, the best way to do it is get a 3 gallon palm, and just tuck it in a planting of groundcover or low textural plants, and wait. Or it could fill the space between two faster growing trunking palms.

Also, I wanted to mention, when considering Phoenix roebellini, you don't necessarily have to get a triple. A single specimen will grow more or less straight up and not offend your neighbors or lean over your pool. You might even have room for a hybrid Phoenix roebellini x (other single trunked Phoenix, eg rupicola). In my opinion, they look better when the lower fronds are left on, rather than overpruning.

With regard to companion plants, I don't know what style you prefer. But I would fill the area with contrasting foliage to create interest. You could use things like variegated Yuccas and contrast them with silver leaved Agaves. Or vice versa, variegated Agaves and silvery Yuccas. And I personally would use plants that flower in "hot" colors, given the sunny poolside location, red/orange predominantly. So Aloes could fit as well. And I try to use one or two plants that are native to the area in every bed I create as a nod to the creator and what came before.

[aztropic]

There is a long running 'Arizona' thread,that will show you just about every palm that has been tried and it's success or failure in the valley of the sun. Beware, protection from our afternoon summer sun is key to growing many of the more uncommon palms. Yes,they can be grown here, but not without something like a house or large tree blocking the afternoon sun.

aztropic

Mesa, Arizona