Sabal minor ‘Louisiana’

[Stevejr]

Looking to purchase a 5 gallon or larger Sabal minor ‘Louisiana’. If anyone has a source, please let me know. I’m in zone 7b Bayside, NY. Thank you.

Edited February 25, 2024 by Stevejr

[Dwarf Fan]

Good luck finding such a mature specimen, the only place I know of that would have one that size would be @Phil over at Jungle Music. He has 3-5 Gal ‘Louisiana’ listed on his site.

https://www.junglemusic.net/search/palmprices.aspx

[MattInRaleigh]

1 hour ago, Dwarf Fan said:

Good luck finding such a mature specimen, the only place I know of that would have one that size would be @Phil over at Jungle Music. He has 3-5 Gal ‘Louisiana’ listed on his site.

https://www.junglemusic.net/search/palmprices.aspx

I don't think the website is an inventory but rather prices for when palms are in stock. You'll need to call or email for an up to date inventory. Last summer I ordered two from them and they only had band pot size. 

[SeanK]

8 hours ago, Stevejr said:

Looking to purchase a 5 gallon or larger Sabal minor ‘Louisiana’. If anyone has a source, please let me know. I’m in zone 7b Bayside, NY. Thank you.

IMO, S.louisiana is a minor grown in constant wet conditions. I wouldn't bet money that one raised on dry land would develop a trunk like Serenoa. The Hatteras minors also are larger than average. Are their descendents grown in dry, sunny locations also large? Hard to confirm.

[Dwarf Fan]

3 hours ago, MattInRaleigh said:

I don't think the website is an inventory but rather prices for when palms are in stock. You'll need to call or email for an up to date inventory. Last summer I ordered two from them and they only had band pot size. 

Great advice, give him a call to confirm and see what is actually available. Last year when I bought several Sabal ‘Louisiana’ from 3 different vendors they all were barley a few strap leaves no one had anything of any size even available.

Like I said Good Luck on finding large sized Louisiana for sale.

3 hours ago, SeanK said:

IMO, S.louisiana is a minor grown in constant wet conditions. I wouldn't bet money that one raised on dry land would develop a trunk like Serenoa. The Hatteras minors also are larger than average. Are their descendents grown in dry, sunny locations also large? Hard to confirm.

Negative, it has been grown in enough gardens with plenty of pics out there online and it is a trunking Sabal minor var. I have seen enough out of habitat pics to have confidence that is is a trunking minor that just doesn’t get much taller than 10-12’ but is usually seen in the 3’-6’ range as it grows fast but it is still a Sabal. 
 

I have a gut feeling it is another ancient minor hybrid cross that happened in nature long ago like S. Brazoriensis.

For reference:

Sabal minor ‘Emerald Isle Giant’

Very old Trunking Sabal minor 

Sabal minor var. ‘Louisiana’  (***Note: the uniquely ‘Louisiana’ frond droop as well as the sharp angle of the fronds, NOT present in the trunking S. minor above OR the Emerald Isle Giant.***)

 

 

 

[Las Palmas Norte]

I'm hoping to have some in about 6-8 years from now.

Edited February 25, 2024 by Las Palmas Norte

[Allen]

3 hours ago, SeanK said:

IMO, S.louisiana is a minor grown in constant wet conditions. I wouldn't bet money that one raised on dry land would develop a trunk like Serenoa. The Hatteras minors also are larger than average. Are their descendents grown in dry, sunny locations also large? Hard to confirm.

Yep I'll disagree as well.  I think the "Louisiana" I have is developing a trunk as it is planted a few feet away from a large minor and the minor is staying at ground level and my "Louisiana' is going vertical.   It is also growing fronds at a much faster 2X rate.  

These 2 planted roughly same size/time.  1st is Louisiana

2018 regular minor on left, louisiana on right

Edited February 25, 2024 by Allen

[SeanK]

21 hours ago, Dwarf Fan said:

Great advice, give him a call to confirm and see what is actually available. Last year when I bought several Sabal ‘Louisiana’ from 3 different vendors they all were barley a few strap leaves no one had anything of any size even available.

Like I said Good Luck on finding large sized Louisiana for sale.

Negative, it has been grown in enough gardens with plenty of pics out there online and it is a trunking Sabal minor var. I have seen enough out of habitat pics to have confidence that is is a trunking minor that just doesn’t get much taller than 10-12’ but is usually seen in the 3’-6’ range as it grows fast but it is still a Sabal. 
 

I have a gut feeling it is another ancient minor hybrid cross that happened in nature long ago like S. Brazoriensis.

For reference:

Sabal minor ‘Emerald Isle Giant’

Very old Trunking Sabal minor 

Sabal minor var. ‘Louisiana’  (***Note: the uniquely ‘Louisiana’ frond droop as well as the sharp angle of the fronds, NOT present in the trunking S. minor above OR the Emerald Isle Giant.***)

 

 

 

Nice pix. You have genetic data to prove your claim?

[SeanK]

20 hours ago, Allen said:

Yep I'll disagree as well.  I think the "Louisiana" I have is developing a trunk as it is planted a few feet away from a large minor and the minor is staying at ground level and my "Louisiana' is going vertical.   It is also growing fronds at a much faster 2X rate.  

These 2 planted roughly same size/time.  1st is Louisiana

2018 regular minor on left, louisiana on right

I have a couple of "Hatteras" that look similar. 

[Allen]

2 hours ago, SeanK said:

I have a couple of "Hatteras" that look similar. 

Cool.  It would be nice to see pics.  

[Sabal King]

On 2/17/2024 at 10:03 AM, Chester B said:

They're $30 each.  I'm not sure how many they have, but it sounded like they weren't running low, I see at least 5 in the photo they sent.  They are in tree pots and are still in the strap leaf stage.   I'm going to try and go next Saturday the 24th.  I can grab some for you, just let know how many you want.

 

Ryan

 

On 2/25/2024 at 11:32 AM, Dwarf Fan said:

Great advice, give him a call to confirm and see what is actually available. Last year when I bought several Sabal ‘Louisiana’ from 3 different vendors they all were barley a few strap leaves no one had anything of any size even available.

Like I said Good Luck on finding large sized Louisiana for sale.

Negative, it has been grown in enough gardens with plenty of pics out there online and it is a trunking Sabal minor var. I have seen enough out of habitat pics to have confidence that is is a trunking minor that just doesn’t get much taller than 10-12’ but is usually seen in the 3’-6’ range as it grows fast but it is still a Sabal. 
 

I have a gut feeling it is another ancient minor hybrid cross that happened in nature long ago like S. Brazoriensis.

For reference:

Sabal minor ‘Emerald Isle Giant’

Very old Trunking Sabal minor 

Sabal minor var. ‘Louisiana’  (***Note: the uniquely ‘Louisiana’ frond droop as well as the sharp angle of the fronds, NOT present in the trunking S. minor above OR the Emerald Isle Giant.***)

 

 

 

man I know one of those Louisianas and it looks very familiar! haha.

I hope to have some 5g in due time... I've got probably 50 1g size at this point, and letting them grow, with another 100+ seedlings germinated, and more germinating.   The "good luck finding one of size" is what made me start my hobby nursery.  There was never anything available, so I am seeking to change that.

I do as well concur that Sabal Louisianas are not just floodplain living Sabal minors.  They don't look anything like each other, and it helps that I have dozens of minors (variety of ecotypes) and Louisianas to compare each other to.

[Dwarf Fan]

7 hours ago, SeanK said:

Nice pix. You have genetic data to prove your claim?

When someone uses the words, “I have a gut feeling” that is generally in reference to putting forth a reasoned argument or a hypothesis, rather than they are making a claim of being in possession of empirical genetic data… 🙄

I have done extensive image searches for the ‘Louisiana’ because it is such an intriguing Sabal variant because it has incredible characteristics on paper (max height, cold tolerance, growth rate) that I believe would make it a very desirable garden Palm worthy of more widespread adoption if it were more easily available but as it currently sits it is still a niche variety for us Palm nerds.

I also found the ‘Louisiana’ to be a bit under identified and not really having much official information about it. However, I have spent hours and hours researching and after seeing enough example pics it is clear that it is it’s own distinct ecotype or variety BECAUSE a of it’s characteristics and it repeats those same characteristics when grown in different environments. I don’t need a genetic test to tell me it is a unique and stable Variety to my satisfaction. 

3 hours ago, Sabal King said:

 

man I know one of those Louisianas and it looks very familiar! haha.

I hope to have some 5g in due time... I've got probably 50 1g size at this point, and letting them grow, with another 100+ seedlings germinated, and more germinating.   The "good luck finding one of size" is what made me start my hobby nursery.  There was never anything available, so I am seeking to change that.

I do as well concur that Sabal Louisianas are not just floodplain living Sabal minors.  They don't look anything like each other, and it helps that I have dozens of minors (variety of ecotypes) and Louisianas to compare each other to.

^^^ Oh I know you know it is a legitimate and separate var. because you even have variants within the variety!!! 🙌
 

I am glad you happen to be an owner of one of the more mature examples that actually posted some clear HD pics that can be used to reference this wonderful Sabal. Thank you Sir you are doing the Lord’s work.

[Sabal King]

1 minute ago, Dwarf Fan said:

When someone uses the words, “I have a gut feeling” that is generally in reference to putting forth a reasoned argument or a hypothesis, rather than they are making a claim of being in possession of empirical genetic data… 🙄

I have done extensive image searches for the ‘Louisiana’ because it is such an intriguing Sabal variant because it has incredible characteristics on paper (max height, cold tolerance, growth rate) that I believe would make it a very desirable garden Palm worthy of more widespread adoption if it were more easily available but as it currently sits it is still a niche variety for us Palm nerds.

I also found the ‘Louisiana’ to be a bit under identified and not really having much official information about it. However, I have spent hours and hours researching and after seeing enough example pics it is clear that it is it’s own distinct ecotype or variety BECAUSE a of it’s characteristics and it repeats those same characteristics when grown in different environments. I don’t need a genetic test to tell me it is a unique and stable Variety to my satisfaction. 

^^^ Oh I know you know it is a legitimate and separate var. because you even have variants within the variety!!! 🙌
 

I am glad you happen to be an owner of one of the better more mature examples that actually posted some clear HD pics can be used to reference this wonderful Sabal. Thank you Sir you are doing the Lord’s work.

appreciate it, i'm just growing palms lol, but I'll take the compliments . We're all in this together!

[WSimpson]

Louisianas have shorter inflorescences . Minor inflorescences get way tall and flop over as the seed weighs them down , while Louisianas have short inflorescences . 

Will

Below is my Louisiana :