Zone 5 and 6 palm growers

[Coldpalms]

Anyone out there growing palms outside in zone 5 or 6? 

[NC_Palms]

Im in a warmer zone, but there’s tons of people on PT in northern zones growing palms . Just take a look at the cold hardy palm board and you’ll see people from NY, PA, Michigan, Chicago, Ohio, Etc here 

[DTS]

9 hours ago, Coldpalms said:

Anyone out there growing palms outside in zone 5 or 6? 

hello there

[Leelanau Palms]

Greetings and welcome!

[N8ALLRIGHT]

Yes, zone 6 Missouri.

[ChicagoPalma]

Hello, zone 5 chicago! Let it be -11F and still my cannas and elephant ears, gingers, and heliconia and palms will thrive inground!

[Las Palmas Norte]

29 minutes ago, ChicagoPalma said:

Hello, zone 5 chicago! Let it be -11F and still my cannas and elephant ears, gingers, and heliconia and palms will thrive inground!

Awesome. That's the spirit.

[ChicagoPalma]

6 hours ago, Las Palmas Norte said:

Awesome. That's the spirit.

Well, it takes some big boy points to keep up that spirit and force my parents to drive me to home depot to get me some mulch and plants!

[Las Palmas Norte]

Just now, ChicagoPalma said:

Well, it takes some big boy points to keep up that spirit and force my parents to drive me to home depot to get me some mulch and plants!

There's far worse that you could be doing with your time and money. I salute you young man.

[ChicagoPalma]

28 minutes ago, Las Palmas Norte said:

There's far worse that you could be doing with your time and money. I salute you young man.

I can give you a list, but to simplify, fortnite and roblox(two popular video games), gift cards, and buying random stuff.

 

unfortunately I spend money on both of those game because im still a kid, but I spent way more on my palms and Im 400 dollars in debt with my dad!🤣  

[Coldpalms]

10 hours ago, N8ALLRIGHT said:

Yes, zone 6 Missouri.

What do you grow and curious about your winter protection method. 

[Coldpalms]

8 hours ago, ChicagoPalma said:

Hello, zone 5 chicago! Let it be -11F and still my cannas and elephant ears, gingers, and heliconia and palms will thrive inground!

Zone 5b Omaha. I’ve managed to keep Washingtonia filifera alive outside for going on the 8th winter now. I’m a landscape contractor and have begun to dabble in a niche market planting and maintaining several larger specimens in various back and front yards around town. Recently designed and had manufactured, a modular reusable winter cover for them. So far so good. 

[ChicagoPalma]

20 minutes ago, Coldpalms said:

Zone 5b Omaha. I’ve managed to keep Washingtonia filifera alive outside for going on the 8th winter now. I’m a landscape contractor and have begun to dabble in a niche market planting and maintaining several larger specimens in various back and front yards around town. Recently designed and had manufactured, a modular reusable winter cover for them. So far so good. 

Could I get some pictures? I use foamboard, 2x2s and mini lights. Last year used 2x4, plastic cover, and c9 lights. C9 lights are for the bigger palms, my last trachycarpus died from both freeze and heat burn, heat burn because if it was sunny the clear plastic cover turned into a greenhouse and it was usually 80-90F in there, boilng the palm. I used to go there in the winter to help with my horrible cold, and the cold because it was 80F during the day in there and then straight to 30s high 20s. 

[Coldpalms]

6 minutes ago, ChicagoPalma said:

Could I get some pictures? I use foamboard, 2x2s and mini lights. Last year used 2x4, plastic cover, and c9 lights. C9 lights are for the bigger palms, my last trachycarpus died from both freeze and heat burn, heat burn because if it was sunny the clear plastic cover turned into a greenhouse and it was usually 80-90F in there, boilng the palm. I used to go there in the winter to help with my horrible cold, and the cold because it was 80F during the day in there and then straight to 30s high 20s. 

it’s a welded aluminum frame with a hinged door that just slips right around the tree. Keeping the outer fronds upright to protect the center spear.  1” foam board with a green house panel on top. I use 600 mini incandescent x-mas lights on a digital thermostatic outlet. Keep the enclosure around 53 degrees F. It’s about 5 minutes to install and can be done by one person but is a lot easier with two. I open the door on nice days and set it up so the door faces a southern direction. It is vented to prevent condensation. But when it’s 5degrees outside that’s almost impossible to do. Even my brand new Pella windows condensate on the inside a little when it’s that cold out. This is my first year using them as they weren’t cheap to produce. I felt after 7 successful winters with make shift, costly and time consuming protection wraps, it was time to upgrade. I designed it so as the tree grows it can be easily extended upwards. But they don’t grow fast here, at least from a height standpoint. 
 

Later April last year 

 

early June last year

[ChicagoPalma]

Beautiful palms, and they are all filiferas? You know, Im getting a butia in my zone since the windmill palm grows well and the butia would grow well as well. There is a nrusery near me where they sell palms straight from florida, they always have pindo, but I dont know what good sizes they have. If not, might as well just get a big queen and end the year with that! Heck its gonna be hard protecting it, but im hoping its better!

[Coldpalms]

3 minutes ago, ChicagoPalma said:

Beautiful palms, and they are all filiferas? You know, Im getting a butia in my zone since the windmill palm grows well and the butia would grow well as well. There is a nrusery near me where they sell palms straight from florida, they always have pindo, but I dont know what good sizes they have. If not, might as well just get a big queen and end the year with that! Heck its gonna be hard protecting it, but im hoping its better!

The ones I grow outside are all filifera or maybe some filibusta, so I was told by the grower. I have triangle, and bamboo palms, red bananas, and some windmill palms.  The only one I can successfully grow outside year round is the Washingtonia. I think it’s because they don’t mind the dryer air here. Ive tried to grow the windmill palms outside twice and failed. I used the same protection method the Washingtonias had and were fine till late January then almost instantly died. I think I couldn’t keep the humidity high enough. I ordered a semi load of Washingtonias out of California a few years ago after having successfully grown a couple for several years without issue and put some of the smaller ones in my yard. I have some in my stock inventory that have 9-10’ trunks. 
 

[Leelanau Palms]

Wow. Amazing pictures. Palms in your yard look great. Would love to see inside your new structure. 

[Jimhardy]

 

Southeast Iowa

[Jimhardy]

[Leelanau Palms]

What's the weather and the plan for southeast Iowa?

[Coldpalms]

17 minutes ago, Jimhardy said:

 

Southeast Iowa

Very nice. 

[N8ALLRIGHT]

10 hours ago, Coldpalms said:

What do you grow and curious about your winter protection method. 

I've got the usual suspects. Needle,Minor, Trachycarpus. My setup is pretty low tech.  Frost king heating cables around the base of all of them to keep the ground from freezing. ( mine are out in the open ) mini lights on the  windmill . Trashcan goes over them when we get freezing precip. Looking like they're going to be under the trashcan for a bit.  Local weather man calling for a low of - 10 Monday morning.  Sure am glad we're a zone 6b on the new map!

[N8ALLRIGHT]

Beautiful yard man! That's dedication to bring in a semi load of palms🤪 Interesting your experience with windmill not making it but washies succeeding.  I yanked a true Takil that barely made it through last winter with protection and replaced it with a Bulgaria x Nanital that was a vigorous grower hopefully it does well this winter but we'll see 🤞

[N8ALLRIGHT]

52 minutes ago, Jimhardy said:

 

Southeast Iowa

Good to see you posting Jim 

[N8ALLRIGHT]

Not trying to hijack the thread,but.. @Jimhardy how long have you had that rostrata? Did you amend the soil? And do the brugmansia come back or do you pull them?

[Jimhardy]

I moved from that place a few years ago...

Heres the last year I was there.

 

The Brugmansia can be rooted so now days I just grab some

long branches to root and replant the next year.

 

There was a pretty long list of palms, still doing it to some degree now

but have been focusing on more potted stuff lately, collecting etc.

C-9 X-mas lights and (35F on/45F off) Thermocubes....had a small space heater in the Cacti enclosure.

 

[Jimhardy]

"These days at the new place about a mile and a half away from the old place.

There is still a small S.Brazoria alive at the old place !

 

New place

 

 

 

 

 

[Jimhardy]

We have had very dry summers with the exception of one when the Rostrata was smaller.

The cactus bed had sand and pea gravel a foot down...

Pic I found of the old place in winter

 

 

Another pic of the Yucca...the Pachypodium (in pots) did get lifted.

 

 

[N8ALLRIGHT]

I've been wanting to get a rostrata or a Thompson's for a while now. Just trying to figure out how I want to build the bed. Most sources had stated to plant them in fast draining mix. That was my plan but I'd stumbled across some info on the old palmsnorth site where a user claimed rostrata grew much better in clay. I knew you were active on there back in the day and was curious to your experiences. Thanks man 

[Jimhardy]

Yeah....That was a fun forum with lots of great people...to bad it kinda just stopped like it did.

 

Next to the house you can see (in the background) a Y. Gloriosa and Y. Rostrata x Thompsoniana

these have both survived with no heat and just a cover (like now) when heavy snow

or Arctic cold are coming.

 

[ChicagoPalma]

@Coldpalms Do you sell these palms in Nebraska? If so, what types do you have any could I have pics. IF possible? May you be able to ship a palm to here in Chicago.

[Coldpalms]

On 1/10/2024 at 12:18 PM, ChicagoPalma said:

@Coldpalms Do you sell these palms in Nebraska? If so, what types do you have any could I have pics. IF possible? May you be able to ship a palm to here in Chicago.

Sorry for the delay responding, been busy preparing for the arctic blast. That said, I do sell palms and tropicals. I haven’t shipped any before but not to say I couldn’t. Most of my stuff is larger where equipment is needed to handle it but I do have stuff that is manageable size without it. Aside from washingtonias, I have several trachycarpus w/2-4’trunks, yellow groove bamboo, a few phoenix roebelenii single and multiple trunk that could still be in pots, some Mediterranean fan palms, large triangle palm, red banana, large yucca cane 8-10’. and I’ll put in an order in April for more that is pot sized for seasonal patio pots but can order in something specific on request if available. I plan to order more windmills and California fans of a smaller size. I buy mostly out of California because the air and soil is more inline to what we have here. Plus my shipping is cheaper. 

[ChicagoPalma]

Im mostly interested in the large washingtonias, and I wouldn't hesitate to pay a lot for shipping, im just hoping your price is reasonable. Price and shipping

1 hour ago, Coldpalms said:

Sorry for the delay responding, been busy preparing for the arctic blast. That said, I do sell palms and tropicals. I haven’t shipped any before but not to say I couldn’t. Most of my stuff is larger where equipment is needed to handle it but I do have stuff that is manageable size without it. Aside from washingtonias, I have several trachycarpus w/2-4’trunks, yellow groove bamboo, a few phoenix roebelenii single and multiple trunk that could still be in pots, some Mediterranean fan palms, large triangle palm, red banana, large yucca cane 8-10’. and I’ll put in an order in April for more that is pot sized for seasonal patio pots but can order in something specific on request if available. I plan to order more windmills and California fans of a smaller size. I buy mostly out of California because the air and soil is more inline to what we have here. Plus my shipping is cheaper. 

 

[jwitt]

On 1/10/2024 at 8:00 AM, Jimhardy said:

"These days at the new place about a mile and a half away from the old place.

There is still a small S.Brazoria alive at the old place !

 

New place

 

 

 

 

 

Bada** and SE Iowa!

Looks gulf coast ish!

[Coldpalms]

3 hours ago, ChicagoPalma said:

Im mostly interested in the large washingtonias, and I wouldn't hesitate to pay a lot for shipping, im just hoping your price is reasonable. Price and shipping

 

My price on a 6-7’ trunk on a Washingtonia filifera/filibusta is $850 plus whatever the shipping is. Chicago is about 5 ish hours east. I can look locally to see what a LTL shipping would cost. Honestly, if you had a day and spent whatever the cost of a small u-haul truck cost, you could probably pick it up for pretty cheap. 

[ChicagoPalma]

48 minutes ago, Coldpalms said:

My price on a 6-7’ trunk on a Washingtonia filifera/filibusta is $850 plus whatever the shipping is. Chicago is about 5 ish hours east. I can look locally to see what a LTL shipping would cost. Honestly, if you had a day and spent whatever the cost of a small u-haul truck cost, you could probably pick it up for pretty cheap. 

So $850 for the trees themselves? If yes, how would it be cheaper if I would pick it up myself? Just wondering.

[Coldpalms]

The tree is $850. I don’t know what shipping is on an LTL carrier. I pay $1200 for a load to come 2 1/2 hours north with a load of limestone blocks. So I’m guessing it would be somewhere around $1000 to ship it to you. I would think a long day and a U-Haul rental would be a lot less than that. But maybe not. 

[ChicagoPalma]

Got it, thanks.

[happypalms]

I couldn’t do it that’s to cold for the dead zone of gardening congratulations to the zone 5/6 growers in my eyes you’re true gardeners at heart the things we do for palms well done admiration from me 

[Las Palmas Norte]

3 hours ago, happypalms said:

I couldn’t do it that’s to cold for the dead zone of gardening congratulations to the zone 5/6 growers in my eyes you’re true gardeners at heart the things we do for palms well done admiration from me 

I agree whole heartedly. I barely cling on here in zone 8. You zone 5 or 6 growers have nerves of steel.