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Dypsis madagascariensis growth rate?

Brandon39.5

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Hey, anyone knows how fast does Dypsis madagascariensis grow? 

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

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Sadly, the madagascarensis has been one of the Dypsis/Chrysalidocarpus that needs more break out. Over the years, with basically showing the same or VERY similar leaf structure I have seen heeled versions, non heeled, clumpers, singeles and growth rates from 1 leaf a year to 4-5 leaves a year>

Sadly, without pics, not easy to say. 

I suspect if anyone offers a more definitive answer, I would guess they have not seen the others using the same label...

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Agreed. The Madagascarensis complex is vast. It’s a difficult plant to nail down. 
 

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Thanks guys, looks like madagascariensis is a peculiar palm, question, is it dypsis or Chrysalidocarpus?

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4 hours ago, Brandon39.5 said:

Thanks guys, looks like madagascariensis is a peculiar palm, question, is it dypsis or Chrysalidocarpus?

Chrysalidocarpus now. As mentioned above, very variable. Solitary, clumping, growth rate also wildly varies. Mine is slow in my cool climate. 

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19 hours ago, BS Man about Palms said:

Sadly, the madagascarensis has been one of the Dypsis/Chrysalidocarpus that needs more break out. Over the years, with basically showing the same or VERY similar leaf structure I have seen heeled versions, non heeled, clumpers, singeles and growth rates from 1 leaf a year to 4-5 leaves a year>

Sadly, without pics, not easy to say. 

I suspect if anyone offers a more definitive answer, I would guess they have not seen the others using the same label...

Sadly I have seen some fast and some slow too.  I picked a real winner solitary one that is now 9 years in the ground.  It currently holds one and a half open leaves and I suspect the emerging spear will keep pushing to hopefully open in another year.  It started as a 1 gallon and today might pass for something fresh put of a 2 gallon.  Yes, this is the slowest palm I have owned.  Using the verb "grow" seems overgenerous. 

Brandon,  not to worry though, yours can't survive and be slower than mine.  Given the location of mine in the extreme tails of the growth bell curve for plants labeled as Chrysalidocarpus madagascarensis, you are assured of something faster.  Wishing you success and hopefully one of the speedy growing varieties. 

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33.0782 North -117.305 West  at 72 feet elevation

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Tracy, I believe that you are the victim of the "sunk cost fallacy".   Even I would try something else in this space !  :)

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11 hours ago, Darold Petty said:

Tracy, I believe that you are the victim of the "sunk cost fallacy".   Even I would try something else in this space !  :)

It is behind my garage where I only go to pick up doggy 🐕 droppings.   I transplanted it several years ago to this out of the way spot.  Visitors never venture back either other than cats coming over the fence or possums. 

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On 10/31/2023 at 3:50 PM, Tracy said:

Sadly I have seen some fast and some slow too.  I picked a real winner solitary one that is now 9 years in the ground.  It currently holds one and a half open leaves and I suspect the emerging spear will keep pushing to hopefully open in another year.  It started as a 1 gallon and today might pass for something fresh put of a 2 gallon.  Yes, this is the slowest palm I have owned.  Using the verb "grow" seems overgenerous. 

Brandon,  not to worry though, yours can't survive and be slower than mine.  Given the location of mine in the extreme tails of the growth bell curve for plants labeled as Chrysalidocarpus madagascarensis, you are assured of something faster.  Wishing you success and hopefully one of the speedy growing varieties. 

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Hey, thanks for replying and for the photos. I might get one eventually, maybe I'll try to get a hybrid.

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On 10/30/2023 at 12:02 PM, Brandon39.5 said:

Hey, anyone knows how fast does Dypsis madagascariensis grow? 

mine a silkitary has around 12' clear trunk in 11 years.Itwas slow for a couple years but since it has grown fairly well.  We get at least a 10 month growing season with subtropical humidity and rain here so things may be faster than in a mediterranean climate.

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Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

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Dont know what this one is.  It was given to me by keith (zeeth) a few years back(4-5) as a 4" pot no ID.  Any ideas?  Its in deep shade from large beccariophoenix alfredii, C. Oliviformis, archies, satakentia, and a big royal all within 20' so it gets almost no direct sun.  The alfredii leaves were blown down to horizontal in IAN, these palms tend to bend but not break in cat 1.  I may have to trim some of the lower alfredii leaves soon.  The fence is 7'IMG_9631.thumb.JPG.119af01c9464d4e9d635ecd03e4c22c0.JPG 

Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

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I have what I believe to be madagascariensis . Mine was obviously mistagged with lutescens . Mine is the clustering type . It has been one of my fastest palms . Here it is this year tallest one in right . Second picture is February of 2019 

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sonoranfans Grand Master

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here is mine 11 years from a strap leaf bare root seedlingIMG_9636.thumb.JPG.d6e57416a3b7ca46b3df4984572f89a5.JPG

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Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

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5 hours ago, sonoranfans said:

Dont know what this one is.  It was given to me by keith (zeeth) a few years back(4-5) as a 4" pot no ID.  Any ideas?  Its in deep shade from large beccariophoenix alfredii, C. Oliviformis, archies, satakentia, and a big royal all within 20' so it gets almost no direct sun.  The alfredii leaves were blown down to horizontal in IAN, these palms tend to bend but not break in cat 1.  I may have to trim some of the lower alfredii leaves soon.  The fence is 7'IMG_9631.thumb.JPG.119af01c9464d4e9d635ecd03e4c22c0.JPG 

Looks like a pritchardia to me, not sure which one because there's so many😂😂 but looks more like minor or hillebrandii (not sure)

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3 hours ago, JubaeaMan138 said:

I have what I believe to be madagascariensis . Mine was obviously mistagged with lutescens . Mine is the clustering type . It has been one of my fastest palms . Here it is this year tallest one in right . Second picture is February of 2019 

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Wow! Looking nice! Probably a hybrid, I heard that they cross pollinate a lot.

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Planted this as a strap leaf 1 gal in 2011. It was sold to me as Dypsis “Mahajanga” from Mark in Oceanside. I got many palms from him when my addiction started.

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