Dwarf or mutant Butia, or an injury of some sort?

[fr8train]

I saw it today at Tokyo Disney. Its growth sort of reminded me of Chamaerops humilis var Vulcano.

[ZPalms]

20 minutes ago, fr8train said:

I saw it today at Tokyo Disney. Its growth sort of reminded me of Chamaerops humilis var Vulcano.

It must be a mutation of some sorts. I went and looked on Google Maps and found the location. The photo isn't great, but if it's the same location, then it has been this way since at least 2014.

Edited October 19, 2023 by ZPalms

[fr8train]

2 minutes ago, ZPalms said:

Must be a mutation of some sort, I went and looked on google maps and found the location the photos arent great but if it's the same location then It's been this way for a long time

Great find! Yes that's the spot. 👏 

[fr8train]

Here's another shot zoomed further out.

[fr8train]

I went back today and took a few more photos. I tried looking for signs of seeds, but no luck.

[vvb]

2 minutes ago, fr8train said:

I went back today and took a few more photos. I tried looking for signs of seeds, but no luck.

Welcome to Japan!
There's something similar Butia at the Yumenoshima botanical garden.
Visit it if you're interested.

[Darold Petty]

vvb, Welcome to Palmtalk !  

[vvb]

7 hours ago, Darold Petty said:

vvb, Welcome to Palmtalk !  

Thank you ！😊

[fr8train]

11 hours ago, vvb said:

Welcome to Japan!
There's something similar Butia at the Yumenoshima botanical garden.
Visit it if you're interested.

Very cool, thank you! I wonder if they seed? I'd love some.

Unfortunately today's my last day here

[vvb]

On 10/26/2023 at 12:51 PM, fr8train said:

Very cool, thank you! I wonder if they seed? I'd love some.

Unfortunately today's my last day here

I've never seen they seeds. 

But I have also seen short leaves Butia in Iwakuni City, Yamaguchi Prefecture, Japan.

So maybe it's genetic.

[fr8train]

14 hours ago, vvb said:

I've never seen they seeds. 

But I have also seen short leaves Butia in Iwakuni City, Yamaguchi Prefecture, Japan.

So maybe it's genetic.

Very cool, thanks for sharing! That makes 3 of these palms now. 

[vvb]

I found the fourth one today near Tokyo DisneySea.

[fr8train]

Oh wow! I went to DisneySea too and I missed it. I wonder when Butia usually seed and flower? 

[Dwarf Fan]

On 11/11/2023 at 12:03 AM, vvb said:

I've never seen they seeds. 

But I have also seen short leaves Butia in Iwakuni City, Yamaguchi Prefecture, Japan.

So maybe it's genetic.

I noticed the distinctly short fronds as well. they really stick out, I have searched for pics of almost every Butia I have came across but that ones doesn’t look at all familiar, can anyone get a positive ID on this Butia sp.?

[vvb]

1 hour ago, Dwarf Fan said:

I noticed the distinctly short fronds as well. they really stick out, I have searched for pics of almost every Butia I have came across but that ones doesn’t look at all familiar, can anyone get a positive ID on this Butia sp.?

It is said that almost all Butia in Japan is Butia capitata, so I think this is also B.capitata.

[vvb]

10 hours ago, fr8train said:

Oh wow! I went to DisneySea too and I missed it. I wonder when Butia usually seed and flower? 

It was in a place that was a little hard to find.　In Japan, flowers bloom and seeds form from summer to autumn.

[Dwarf Fan]

14 hours ago, vvb said:

It is said that almost all Butia in Japan is Butia capitata, so I think this is also B.capitata.

Those unique fronds do not resemble known examples of B. odorata or B. capitata
https://www.palmpedia.net/wiki/Butia_capitata_(True)
https://www.palmpedia.net/wiki/Butia_odorata

IMHO it looks like a Dwarf Butia Capitata var. Strictor or a but I have never seen a Dwarf ‘Strictor’ before. I do know that it is a very unique looking Palm and it is almost certainly NOT a regular Butia Capitata.

https://www.pacsoa.org.au/wiki/Butia_capitata_var._strictior