Mail order sabinara magnifica seeds

[happypalms]

One only has to happy when I got my seeds through customs with the recent new regulations with imported seeds needing certificates I fear a lot more palms will become even more rare now that home gardeners cannot export unless the correct paperwork is done and it will be quite a long time before a lot of rare palms are producing seeds in Australia the future will be good for a lot of up and coming plant collectors in the years to come i pretty well much don’t think I will be seeing my Johannesteijsmannia set seeds in my time left on this tiny little blue green planet we call earth although I can only live in hope I live for my garden and my garden lives for me 🌱

[Tyrone]

How long did it take them to inspect them? They can sit waiting to be asessed for weeks or months and there isn’t a thing you can do about it. I’m glad yours came through fine. 

[WaianaeCrider]

More government interference.  Not sure about local regs here in Hawai`i about seeds, but tobacco products can no longer be freely shipped to the islands.  Just had a $150 box confiscated that a friend bought in Calf and tried to m ail to me.

[happypalms]

5 hours ago, Tyrone said:

How long did it take them to inspect them? They can sit waiting to be asessed for weeks or months and there isn’t a thing you can do about it. I’m glad yours came through fine. 

Hi Tyrone they landed in Melbourne then went to Sydney it took 3 weeks and a few phone calls the last lot I ordered went to Melbourne I was able to pre arrange inspection for Melbourne but the Sydney order they would not let me pre arrange inspection until it booked into there system Melbourne are much better than Sydney 

[happypalms]

59 minutes ago, WaianaeCrider said:

More government interference.  Not sure about local regs here in Hawai`i about seeds, but tobacco products can no longer be freely shipped to the islands.  Just had a $150 box confiscated that a friend bought in Calf and tried to m ail to me.

I can understand your frustration I could be getting seeds of rare palms from Hawaii but no not allowed unless paperwork is done even then customs can take them with the correct paperwork and still send you a bill and they charge for all inspections they just want there cut of the money but one thing I know is don’t muck with customs 

[Tyrone]

2 hours ago, happypalms said:

Hi Tyrone they landed in Melbourne then went to Sydney it took 3 weeks and a few phone calls the last lot I ordered went to Melbourne I was able to pre arrange inspection for Melbourne but the Sydney order they would not let me pre arrange inspection until it booked into there system Melbourne are much better than Sydney 

I’ve had the opposite experience. Always a problem if it lands in Melbourne. Never a problem with Sydney. Australian quarantine is necessary BUT they are not a user friendly service. I could go on and on and on, but I won’t. Australian quarantine is a mess and it’s obvious that many of the inspectors don’t know the law surrounding what they are supposed to be doing. I wish we had a small seed permit system like the US. The current system is terrible and it’s just bad for business and the economy in general. 

[happypalms]

3 hours ago, Tyrone said:

I’ve had the opposite experience. Always a problem if it lands in Melbourne. Never a problem with Sydney. Australian quarantine is necessary BUT they are not a user friendly service. I could go on and on and on, but I won’t. Australian quarantine is a mess and it’s obvious that many of the inspectors don’t know the law surrounding what they are supposed to be doing. I wish we had a small seed permit system like the US. The current system is terrible and it’s just bad for business and the economy in general. 

That’s for sure I have even had seeds confiscated just because of a name change eg licuala dasyantha to lanonia dasyantha due to the bicon list you don’t even try to argue with customs thanks to the kharpa beetle and the grain industry has more power than the mining industry obviously the government is controlled by them but I do respect our laws to protect our environment but that’s just one opinion 

[Tyrone]

10 hours ago, happypalms said:

That’s for sure I have even had seeds confiscated just because of a name change eg licuala dasyantha to lanonia dasyantha due to the bicon list you don’t even try to argue with customs thanks to the kharpa beetle and the grain industry has more power than the mining industry obviously the government is controlled by them but I do respect our laws to protect our environment but that’s just one opinion 

The botanical names on BICON are mostly outdated and they have nearly no interest in changing them. I will stop there. 

[tim_brissy_13]

9 hours ago, Tyrone said:

The botanical names on BICON are mostly outdated and they have nearly no interest in changing them. I will stop there. 

Agree. I’ve reached out to try to get them to update but no interest at all. You just need to make sure that the bicon accepted name is listed on the shipment or at least as a synonym. 
 

There are a bunch of palms already in Australia (and even some natives!) not allowed to be imported which is ridiculous. I was really hoping to get Lanonia centralis and Pinanga declinata seeds earlier this year but these are just 2 among many that can’t be imported technically (although I know they’re already here). 

[Tyrone]

16 minutes ago, tim_brissy_13 said:

Agree. I’ve reached out to try to get them to update but no interest at all. You just need to make sure that the bicon accepted name is listed on the shipment or at least as a synonym. 
 

There are a bunch of palms already in Australia (and even some natives!) not allowed to be imported which is ridiculous. I was really hoping to get Lanonia centralis and Pinanga declinata seeds earlier this year but these are just 2 among many that can’t be imported technically (although I know they’re already here). 

Yes it is ridiculous. The rot has well and truly set into that place. They’re right up there with Telstra and Qantas. 

[KrisKupsch]

19 hours ago, Tyrone said:

The botanical names on BICON are mostly outdated and they have nearly no interest in changing them. I will stop there. 

The list needs revising yes. Its not bad though. We are lucky to have a list so long. I recently jumped the gun and a packet had the new name. SYD was nice enough to realise it was on bicon as the old name and approved it. In saying this, the entire process since April last year is often terrible but what other choice is there ? The weeks waiting compromises viability. The best thing to do is use a courier not the postal system. 
Also the palms “not allowed to be imported” simply no one has asked to add them to the list. 

 

[tim_brissy_13]

1 hour ago, KrisKupsch said:

The list needs revising yes. Its not bad though. We are lucky to have a list so long. I recently jumped the gun and a packet had the new name. SYD was nice enough to realise it was on bicon as the old name and approved it. In saying this, the entire process since April last year is often terrible but what other choice is there ? The weeks waiting compromises viability. The best thing to do is use a courier not the postal system. 
Also the palms “not allowed to be imported” simply no one has asked to add them to the list. 

 

Yeah true, definitely grateful to have many species on that list including obscure species barely in cultivation. It must also be hard to keep up with changing botanical names; hard enough even for us collectors. 
 

In my case, I did raise Pinanga declinata, Lanonia centralis and Lanonia hainanensis (and maybe some others) as species I’d like to get in. To be fair Bicon responded quickly and said they’d just need evidence they were already in the country. Links to eBay sales weren’t considered enough evidence. 

[happypalms]

12 hours ago, tim_brissy_13 said:

Agree. I’ve reached out to try to get them to update but no interest at all. You just need to make sure that the bicon accepted name is listed on the shipment or at least as a synonym. 
 

There are a bunch of palms already in Australia (and even some natives!) not allowed to be imported which is ridiculous. I was really hoping to get Lanonia centralis and Pinanga declinata seeds earlier this year but these are just 2 among many that can’t be imported technically (although I know they’re already here). 

Yep I guess the government can do what they want when they want I think Australia is not the only country with draconian laws 

[KrisKupsch]

8 hours ago, tim_brissy_13 said:

Yeah true, definitely grateful to have many species on that list including obscure species barely in cultivation. It must also be hard to keep up with changing botanical names; hard enough even for us collectors. 
 

In my case, I did raise Pinanga declinata, Lanonia centralis and Lanonia hainanensis (and maybe some others) as species I’d like to get in. To be fair Bicon responded quickly and said they’d just need evidence they were already in the country. Links to eBay sales weren’t considered enough evidence. 

Risk assessment is whats needed. An assessment, not whether its here already or not. 

Edited September 6, 2023 by KrisKupsch

[Johnny Palmseed]

On 9/4/2023 at 3:03 PM, WaianaeCrider said:

More government interference.  Not sure about local regs here in Hawai`i about seeds, but tobacco products can no longer be freely shipped to the islands.  Just had a $150 box confiscated that a friend bought in Calf and tried to m ail to me.

Seriously? What could possibly be the reason for that?

[WaianaeCrider]

5 hours ago, Johnny Palmseed said:

Seriously? What could possibly be the reason for that?

Started out to "protect" the "youth" from getting vaping supplies on the internet.  Some fool added all tobacco products.

 

[Neil C]

Were the seeds at the top from RPS? It says on their website they aren't exporting to Oz at the moment? I've had seeds sent back to RPS that were on the import list and this was before and certificates were needed. Seriously annoying as it wasn't a cheap order!!!

[happypalms]

44 minutes ago, Neil C said:

Were the seeds at the top from RPS? It says on their website they aren't exporting to Oz at the moment? I've had seeds sent back to RPS that were on the import list and this was before and certificates were needed. Seriously annoying as it wasn't a cheap order!!!

Yes they were from rps my mate in beilefeld Germany arranged the sale for me there is many a great debate about customs now in Australia after the requirement of certificates and the way they deal with imports it sounds like from what I understand it’s becoming one big government control over imports and money that the government wants I have had seeds sent back to Thailand cleaned and sent back to me only to have 1 percent germination rate due to the government regulations and the 2 months the whole process took I respect our laws and the protection of our environment to get a import license is of no use due the certification requirement if the seller does not provide one the fun of growing rare palms has been taken away we can’t make palms in Australia grow overnight and produce seeds only time can do that palm growing is not about what you know but who you know all I know is don’t muck with customs Australia they are a law above the government 

[Fitter12]

On 9/8/2023 at 3:20 PM, happypalms said:

Yes they were from rps my mate in beilefeld Germany arranged the sale for me there is many a great debate about customs now in Australia after the requirement of certificates and the way they deal with imports it sounds like from what I understand it’s becoming one big government control over imports and money that the government wants I have had seeds sent back to Thailand cleaned and sent back to me only to have 1 percent germination rate due to the government regulations and the 2 months the whole process took I respect our laws and the protection of our environment to get a import license is of no use due the certification requirement if the seller does not provide one the fun of growing Elf Bar Snus rare palms has been taken away we can’t make palms in Australia grow overnight and produce seeds only time can do that palm growing is not about what you know but who you know all I know is don’t muck with customs Australia they are a law above the government 

Quite impressive!!!