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Another day in paradise in the garden

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14 hours ago, PalmBossTampa said:

I forgot about my favorite new palm name Normambya normambyi 😊 Ive seen millions of foxtails but this is new to me this year and i love the young leaves

Normanbya are a very underused and underrated palm even here in their native state. They are a bit slower growing than foxies and need more shade when young. On the other hand, cold doesn't worry them and almost any type of soil is okay. Plus they have the lovely dark trunk.

Peachy 

I came. I saw. I purchased

 

 

27.35 south.

Warm subtropical, with occasional frosts.

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A beautiful little palm perfect for the understory the triphylla. A real gem of a palm, definitely the miniature look for a palm that fits into any spot that’s beside a path or an entrance way. As we would say in Australia an absolute bonza of a palm! 

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Many of the small licualas I have had now for 3 years or so, were lost in the early spring heat wave. Of the survivors about 6 are now big enough to get planted in the garden. One good thing about small slow growing palms is that its easy find something as canopy for them. My tiny chainsaw has been busily cutting off lower branches on small palms and cutting back Musseanda and monsteras so finally I getting small areas of shaded groundspace.  My little carpie that I got as a trade is also going in the ground this week.  It laughed at my winter but didn;t like being buried under hailstones late winter.

I came. I saw. I purchased

 

 

27.35 south.

Warm subtropical, with occasional frosts.

Nice Licuala , and in very good company , I see! Harry

Richard, I grew this years ago when I lived in southern Mississippi along several other Licuala, for torture-testing (and granted that is a climate generally completely unsuited for long-term cultivation of most everything in this genus). My memory is that L. triphylla was the most tender and first to go down of those that I was testing at that time. And I have shied away from it since, as I perhaps unfairly put it in my "write-off" column. Does it handle your level of cold well? Perhaps I should try it out here in the low desert where I live presently, as I can grow L. grandis here with care, likely due to the brevity of our winters as compared to coastal California.

Michael Norell

Rancho Mirage, California | 33°44' N 116°25' W | 287 ft | z10a | avg Jan 43/70F | Jul 78/108F avg | Weather Station KCARANCH310

previously Big Pine Key, Florida | 24°40' N 81°21' W | 4.5 ft. | z12a | Calcareous substrate | avg annual min. approx 52F | avg Jan 65/75F | Jul 83/90 | extreme min approx 41F

previously Natchez, Mississippi | 31°33' N 91°24' W | 220 ft.| z9a | Downtown/river-adjacent | Loess substrate | avg annual min. 23F | Jan 43/61F | Jul 73/93F | extreme min 2.5F (1899); previously Los Angeles, California (multiple locations)

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A lovely time of the day on dusk, the colours are always different! 

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Richard are these Hemerocallis?

(Check your email, I sent you a PM.)

GIUSEPPE

What are these palms with the dark crownshafls ? totally gorgeous

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I came. I saw. I purchased

 

 

27.35 south.

Warm subtropical, with occasional frosts.

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1 hour ago, gyuseppe said:

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Richard are these Hemerocallis?

(Check your email, I sent you a PM.)

I think there day Lillie , definitely a Lillie  know that!

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41 minutes ago, peachy said:

What are these palms with the dark crownshafls ? totally gorgeous

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The skinny bamboo looking ones Chamaedorea plumosa or the chambeyroni macrocarpa next the hookeri?

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21 hours ago, peachy said:

Many of the small licualas I have had now for 3 years or so, were lost in the early spring heat wave. Of the survivors about 6 are now big enough to get planted in the garden. One good thing about small slow growing palms is that its easy find something as canopy for them. My tiny chainsaw has been busily cutting off lower branches on small palms and cutting back Musseanda and monsteras so finally I getting small areas of shaded groundspace.  My little carpie that I got as a trade is also going in the ground this week.  It laughed at my winter but didn;t like being buried under hailstones late winter.

There are some super cute small licuala varieties, i cannot stand heat waves and especially if iam out for day and cannot water to create humidity that stops those cute little palm burning faster than match at Woodstock.

It’s great fun skirting trees to get an understory you get the bonus of the canopy and the understory free palm real estate for those cute little licualas. Curse you and your Carpie I bet I could trade a one of my gems for it with you🤣

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18 hours ago, Harry’s Palms said:

Nice Licuala , and in very good company , I see! Harry

I have 300 seeds in germinating so fingers crossed I get few extras for the garden!

Richard 

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8 hours ago, mnorell said:

Richard, I grew this years ago when I lived in southern Mississippi along several other Licuala, for torture-testing (and granted that is a climate generally completely unsuited for long-term cultivation of most everything in this genus). My memory is that L. triphylla was the most tender and first to go down of those that I was testing at that time. And I have shied away from it since, as I perhaps unfairly put it in my "write-off" column. Does it handle your level of cold well? Perhaps I should try it out here in the low desert where I live presently, as I can grow L. grandis here with care, likely due to the brevity of our winters as compared to coastal California.

Could be worth a try, you could always keep it in a container and protect it from winter, my ones take 2 degrees Celsius sometimes cool wet conditions in winter as well, and the dry full moon cold snap that frosts lightly at the bottom of our hundred acre community, I have 5 acres up the top hill of the property so very protected with a lot of thermal mass in the form of sandstone rocks and the advantage of black sandy loam soil that heats up a lot faster in winter, and super good drainage conditions, to good in fact my garden enemy is fast draining soil a killer in dry summer temperatures. If you have a grandis you will be able to grow a triphlla with some basic winter protection.

As Chamaedorea dont have crownshafts, then it must be an unusually dark Chambeyronia.

1 hour ago, happypalms said:

I think there day Lillie , definitely a Lillie  know that!

The top flower is an asiatic lillium

I came. I saw. I purchased

 

 

27.35 south.

Warm subtropical, with occasional frosts.

3 hours ago, happypalms said:

A lovely time of the day on dusk, the colours are always different! 

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Wonderful pictures, Richard.
We're literally swinging between 0-8 degrees Celsius here, with a constant cool breeze, lots of rain and humidity...
For a groundhog, it's the best time to sleep, but then again, we're not groundhogs. 

Official Climate Update: Subtropical Microclimate (Cfa) | 36-year mean: 11.76°C (incl. -0.3K offset) | ~2,100+ annual sunshine hours Bresser solar-vent. Station @ 1.70m since 2019 (Stachen, CH)

On 12/1/2025 at 11:51 AM, happypalms said:

A beautiful little palm perfect for the understory the triphylla. A real gem of a palm, definitely the miniature look for a palm that fits into any spot that’s beside a path or an entrance way. As we would say in Australia an absolute bonza of a palm! 

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very beautiful, Richard.

Official Climate Update: Subtropical Microclimate (Cfa) | 36-year mean: 11.76°C (incl. -0.3K offset) | ~2,100+ annual sunshine hours Bresser solar-vent. Station @ 1.70m since 2019 (Stachen, CH)

Yes Richard, thanks. I have many lilies and also those we call Hemerocallis

GIUSEPPE

Richard, you and I have never argued, and we hope we don't now  😄
, and I hope I don't argue with Peachy either 😄
 yours are not Asiatic lilies, but those flowers, here we call them Hemerocallis

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GIUSEPPE

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9 hours ago, Mazat said:

very beautiful, Richard.

Definitely a great little palm for you to grow in that grow room you have!

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On 12/2/2025 at 11:26 PM, peachy said:

As Chamaedorea dont have crownshafts, then it must be an unusually dark Chambeyronia.

The top flower is an asiatic lillium

They were a gift from the wife when I first started dating her, ah true love it never gets old! 
And yes it’s a super healthy macrocarpa! 
Richard 

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On 12/3/2025 at 12:02 AM, gyuseppe said:

Richard, you and I have never argued, and we hope we don't now  😄
, and I hope I don't argue with Peachy either 😄
 yours are not Asiatic lilies, but those flowers, here we call them Hemerocallis

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I shall endeavour to find out the true identity of said flowers, the wife purchased them for me so a clever man will go with what the ladies say (but if @peachyis correct then we will be sleeping in the dog kennel 🤣

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There seems to be a myth about how joeys  have a reputation for just up and dying for no reason. I have a few and from observation, it seems the weakest in the batches after potting up have the middle new leaf die.
It’s not root disturbance, it’s possibly a soil fungus. I call it flagging as you can see basically a flag signal with the new dead leaf. I have broken roots of new seedlings and they will die. But that’s a grower mistake. So I use a foliar soil fungicide once every 3 weeks. So hopefully this gives a reason for joeys just up and dying. Eventually in the potted up batch’s the weakest have been eliminated and you dont get them dropping off dead, with just the strongest surviving.

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This is one of those must have species that I got going almost as soon as I bought my first farm in PR. 
 

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I know I have an unfair advantage as it never gets colder than 65 degrees F or above 90 F and plenty of rain and shade. 
 

A couple of mine are seeding and after sowing in pots, sprouts are popping up. Takes 9-15 months. 
 

I plant all Licualas out when just a few leaves and just wait while nature cares for them. I never fertilize or water them. 
 

I have scattered the larger ones about, but the babies are going to be grouped together in the ground eventually. 
 

The markings stay beautiful no matter whether in full or part shade. 
 

I hope everyone on PT ends up with at least one of these!

Cindy Adair

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They seem to be pretty popular with the cool climate growers and just about everyone who grows palms would have one or two around their house. 
So easy to grow and propagate there fast becoming the modern day chamaedorea elegans. Very tough dry tolerant cool tolerant and fast to grow, is one reason they are popular, from medium amounts of sun to deep shade there a palm that fits into any garden or container! 

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11 hours ago, Cindy Adair said:

This is one of those must have species that I got going almost as soon as I bought my first farm in PR. 
 

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I know I have an unfair advantage as it never gets colder than 65 degrees F or above 90 F and plenty of rain and shade. 
 

A couple of mine are seeding and after sowing in pots, sprouts are popping up. Takes 9-15 months. 
 

I plant all Licualas out when just a few leaves and just wait while nature cares for them. I never fertilize or water them. 
 

I have scattered the larger ones about, but the babies are going to be grouped together in the ground eventually. 
 

The markings stay beautiful no matter whether in full or part shade. 
 

I hope everyone on PT ends up with at least one of these!

They are just one of those palms that make you go wow. And that one you have is a fine example of such beauty. Your climate is absolutely beautiful for palms of the tropical varieties all those super beautiful Borneo palms. I have always wanted to move to cairns and grow that magical garden where as you say just put those tiny seedlings in and walk away and let Mother Nature do the rest. 
Unfortunatly I could not leave my garden that I have now! 

These quickly populated my garden after bringing home a squat pot of 8 mature , seeding specimens over 25 years ago. I now have several seeding Radicalis in my gardens around the house . All of mine are trunking type that get very tall in time . Little red berries everywhere, even on very young ones ! Some of them growing in full SoCal inland sun. Harry

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1 hour ago, Harry’s Palms said:

These quickly populated my garden after bringing home a squat pot of 8 mature , seeding specimens over 25 years ago. I now have several seeding Radicalis in my gardens around the house . All of mine are trunking type that get very tall in time . Little red berries everywhere, even on very young ones ! Some of them growing in full SoCal inland sun. Harry

There perfect for your climate, one chamaedorea that is a champion grower great bang for your buck. I prefer the trunkless varieties but when I see some of my ones in group with trunks of varying heights there just ad beautiful.

Richard 

How thick can be the stem of a trunking specimen? I understand there must be some variation but I am interested in the potential of the sp. I have one specimen, that it has an exceptionally robust stem compared to other three specimens in the same group. It is the one in foreground.

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I planted a little one in full sun earlier this year and it is really doing well.  Mine is the trunking variety as the trunkless ones just take too much space on the ground.

I came. I saw. I purchased

 

 

27.35 south.

Warm subtropical, with occasional frosts.

@Phoenikakias that is a large stem for a Radicalis . I have one that sprouted right next to my Pritchardia that just started to trunk earlier this year . It also has a fairly large stem , larger than the others. I forget how old it is but it started producing fruit pretty early on and has babies all around it that have grown . It looks like you have at least one volunteer as well. Harry

23 minutes ago, Harry’s Palms said:

@Phoenikakias that is a large stem for a Radicalis . I have one that sprouted right next to my Pritchardia that just started to trunk earlier this year . It also has a fairly large stem , larger than the others. I forget how old it is but it started producing fruit pretty early on and has babies all around it that have grown . It looks like you have at least one volunteer as well. Harry

It carries also larger fruit and seeds, than the rest. Could it be a tetraploid?

3 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

It carries also larger fruit and seeds, than the rest. Could it be a tetraploid?

I guess it is possible . That trunk on yours is almost as large as my Tepejelote! Interesting to see if seeds are viable and if they carry the gene. My “big boy “ has the same size fruit as the others , it’s just a larger specimen. The fronds were almost twice the size of the others before it got a trunk. It isn’t quite as large as yours but noticeably more robust. I also have a Howea Foresteriana that grew in my courtyard , it  grew more than twice as fast as my others and has a swollen foot that is huge . I dug it up from a Kentia farm where they used to process thousands of seeds. It was just  seedling and it was noticeably different than all the other volunteers. It now has some seeds on it and I am planning on germinating those to see if the genetic anomaly follows . Sometimes it is just a “ one off “ occurrence. I sure love my “ Super Kentia” , take care of your “ super Radicalis” ! HarryIMG_3649.thumb.jpeg.e5a42fc3a91c1edbc7502dd1fbed9da6.jpeg

Believe it or not , there is less than two years , maybe a year and a bit,  difference from these two Kentia palms . Both dug up from the same place. The one on the right just took off immediately. The first year , right after planting the shorter one , they were close to the same size! This photo was some time ago  ( a year or so?) it now has seeds hanging on it. HarryIMG_0379.thumb.jpeg.cf27d4c5e2b550fbacfca6314ffe3fa8.jpeg

This is right after the base started to swell , even bigger now. Just an anomaly? Who knows. Harry

What are people’s experience with planting these in mostly shade? I thought they were supposed to handle it well, but mine (a gift from @Darold Petty ) have been super slow so far. A couple are finally going pinnate. The slug damage has been largely controlled. (Coconut LaCroix for scale.)

 

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SF, CA

USDA zone 10a / Sunset zone 17

Summer avg. high 67°F / 20°C (SF record high 106°F / 41°C)

Winter avg. low 43°F / 7°C (SF record low 27°F / -3°C)

480’ / 146m elevation, 2.8 miles / 4.5km from ocean

54 minutes ago, Foggy Paul said:

What are people’s experience with planting these in mostly shade? I thought they were supposed to handle it well, but mine (a gift from @Darold Petty ) have been super slow so far. A couple are finally going pinnate. The slug damage has been largely controlled. (Coconut LaCroix for scale.)

 

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Paul - I have a couple seedlings in the ground that are totally shaded by a Howea belmoreana. They're at a similar stage, or a little behind yours, and have been very slow. But even Chamaedorea plumosa were slow for me at seedling size, and really picked up after a ring or two. 

Chris

San Francisco, CA 

Thanks Chris @Rivera, much appreciated. We should check out each other’s gardens sometime. I’m out by the beach all the time. I bet your belmoreana looks better than mine…

SF, CA

USDA zone 10a / Sunset zone 17

Summer avg. high 67°F / 20°C (SF record high 106°F / 41°C)

Winter avg. low 43°F / 7°C (SF record low 27°F / -3°C)

480’ / 146m elevation, 2.8 miles / 4.5km from ocean

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2 hours ago, Foggy Paul said:

What are people’s experience with planting these in mostly shade? I thought they were supposed to handle it well, but mine (a gift from @Darold Petty ) have been super slow so far. A couple are finally going pinnate. The slug damage has been largely controlled. (Coconut LaCroix for scale.)

 

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They love shade, give them a bit more water, where they a gift of seeds or seedlings, if seedlings they look like they are sulking and will pick up in a bit later on! 

5 minutes ago, happypalms said:

They love shade, give them a bit more water, where they a gift of seeds or seedlings, if seedlings they look like they are sulking and will pick up in a bit later on! 

They were seedlings. Darold gave them to me in May 2023 and I planted them out on October 2024. I have seven, so I think they will be a nice little grouping when they gain some size.

SF, CA

USDA zone 10a / Sunset zone 17

Summer avg. high 67°F / 20°C (SF record high 106°F / 41°C)

Winter avg. low 43°F / 7°C (SF record low 27°F / -3°C)

480’ / 146m elevation, 2.8 miles / 4.5km from ocean

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23 minutes ago, Foggy Paul said:

They were seedlings. Darold gave them to me in May 2023 and I planted them out on October 2024. I have seven, so I think they will be a nice little grouping when they gain some size.

Could be a little crowded, but give a bit of attention and they should start to move, as you know summer is the growing season! 

On 12/3/2025 at 2:33 PM, Cindy Adair said:

This is one of those must have species that I got going almost as soon as I bought my first farm in PR. 
 

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I know I have an unfair advantage as it never gets colder than 65 degrees F or above 90 F and plenty of rain and shade. 
 

A couple of mine are seeding and after sowing in pots, sprouts are popping up. Takes 9-15 months. 
 

I plant all Licualas out when just a few leaves and just wait while nature cares for them. I never fertilize or water them. 
 

I have scattered the larger ones about, but the babies are going to be grouped together in the ground eventually. 
 

The markings stay beautiful no matter whether in full or part shade. 
 

I hope everyone on PT ends up with at least one of these!

 

WOW Cindy !!! those are spectacular !!!! How old is your palm & how long has it been in the ground ? 

On 12/3/2025 at 4:40 PM, happypalms said:

There seems to be a myth about how joeys  have a reputation for just up and dying for no reason. I have a few and from observation, it seems the weakest in the batches after potting up have the middle new leaf die.
It’s not root disturbance, it’s possibly a soil fungus. I call it flagging as you can see basically a flag signal with the new dead leaf. I have broken roots of new seedlings and they will die. But that’s a grower mistake. So I use a foliar soil fungicide once every 3 weeks. So hopefully this gives a reason for joeys just up and dying. Eventually in the potted up batch’s the weakest have been eliminated and you dont get them dropping off dead, with just the strongest surviving.

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NICE CROP ! 

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