Syagrus litoralis

[swamptreenelly]

Hello.

If you have an image of Syagrus litoralis, can you please post? Our City may be getting some of these to pot up for our 2 palm gardens.

Thanks

Nelson

[osideterry]

Here's a forum thread from a while back. It didn't start as a litoralis thread. but that palm took over the conversation. There are some nice photos.

http://palmtalk.org/cgi-bin....toralis

Here's a few of other links, but only one has a decent photo.

http://www.palmsnc.org/pages/palm_detail.php?id=168

http://www.rarepalmseeds.com/pix/SyaLit.shtml

http://www.pbase.com/theukoasis/image/51503831

[Exotic Life]

I like Syagrus species, i have now Syagrus romanzoffiana in the ground, but still growing very slowly and have after last winter protection damage. I wanna try this another winter, if he still like this i put him out.

I have also a Syagrus quinkinphylla, but i want to try also a litoralis i want to try that one also

Robbin

[swamptreenelly]

osideterry and Exotic Life,

Thank you very much for the response. Osideterry those are great images and information. Thanks again

Nelson

[Gaston in Argentina]

Syagrus litoralis doesnt exist, that name was the invention of a palms seeds dealer of here, Argentina, for commercial purpose to give an more saleable name and higher price to queen palms seeds.-

[swamptreenelly]

Gaston in Argentina,

Thanks for the heads up. I still think any South American palm or flowering tree adds to the charm of any Park. Palms with Silver and Blues are highly prized up here. Just like the different variations of Kings, some people think they are more cold hardy and faster growing. Add a few Bunya Bunyas to the mix and there you are.

[Gaston in Argentina]

There can be some Syagrus romanzoffiana that are hardiest to cold then another, deppending the location where they grow and come.

But not a specie named Syagrus litoralis.-

From years ago im waiting for watch a picture of this strange palm, but nobody post a single one picture.-

[Exotic Life]

Hi Gaston,

So i'm learning again, is litoralis then the place where this queen come from?

Robbin

[Kris]

Dear Terry  

your links especially the one seen in webshots that queen trunk looks like a Jamboo ? is it normal for a S.Litralis to grow

defenately like that ?

Need info on the trunk size_please ! since it has attracted me...

thanks & love,

Kris  

[Jeff zone 8 N.C.]

Gaston, did the seed dealer who invented the Syagrus litoralis name collect the seed from a more cold hardy Syagrus romanzoffiana population or are the litoralis seed just ordinary S. r. seed?

[Dave-Vero]

"litoralis" would mean "from the seashore"

[Exotic Life]

(Jeff zone 8 N.C. @ Oct. 03 2007,21:33)

QUOTE

Gaston, did the seed dealer who invented the Syagrus litoralis name collect the seed from a more cold hardy Syagrus romanzoffiana population or are the litoralis seed just ordinary S. r. seed?

Yeah,

I'm thinking the same, are the seeds from a more colder resistant Syagrus?

Gaston can you tell that to us ?  

Robbin

[Exotic Life]

(Dave-Vero @ Oct. 03 2007,21:40)

QUOTE

"litoralis" would mean "from the seashore"

Thanks !

[Cikas]

According to Rarepalmseeds:

Syagrus romanzoffiana Litoralis

Robust Queen Palm, Silver Queen Palm

A robust cultivar of the Queen Palm from Argentina, Uruguay and Southern Brazil, where it is found to over 1000 m (3300 ft.) altitude, with a thicker, sturdier trunk that supports a compact crown of arching leaves with particularly thick and wide leaflets. It is very hardy to cold and is said to survive temperatures down to -9°C (15°F) undamaged. Apparently this palm has already been in cultivation in the U.S. for a while, most popularly under the name Silver Queen. Reportedly, the palm received that name in Florida not because its leaves or any other of its parts are silver, but rather because after a hard freeze that killed all the more tender Queen Palms, the ones that survived, the Silver Queens, had leaflets that appeared in a strange, translucent silver tone in sunlight, the result of a light frost damage.

Edited January 19, 2014 by Cikas

[Matthew92]

One of my ultimate goals would be to successfully grow a queen palm in zone 8b, and I have been really excited over this "litoras" or "silver queen" business, but still apprehensive about claims like "completely hardy to 15 deg."

The picture above of the queen in the snow has really intrigued me. Another forum I saw was discussing how it probably wasn't really cold enough to do serious damage to a queen especially since the bananas are still "perky."

Turns out this picture was originally posted on Dave's Garden by someone named Don Truman, and there the caption reads "2004 Victoria, TX after 12" snow. Survived 20 degrees, no damage."

link here- http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/388834/#ixzz3eOV3ELyA

I checked the weather records for Victoria Texas and found it is in zone 9a and during the Dec 2004 event it did indeed get around 20 degrees (showed as 21). And checking more records, it has gotten into the low 20's many other times since then with 9 January getting to 17 degrees!

link- http://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/victoria/texas/united-states/ustx1405/2010/1

Now a regular queen of course would be very damaged in these temps, so I so badly wanted to see what this tree looked like today to see if it's actually a litoris or silver queen or whatever you want to call the hardy variety. Victoria Texas isn't that big, so I tried to find it on google earth.

Well after much slaving away and endlessly searching streetview, I have found this palm!!! This image was taken in July 2013.

Seems to look great, now on the overhead view you can archive footage. There is one image from March 2011 that seems to show it possibly having damage- what do you think?

Other queen palms in that same neighborhood with that same dated footage show damage??

Edited June 28, 2015 by Opal92

[The7thLegend]

Nice detective work Opal92. I have a young Litoralis, aka Silver Queen. Only time will tell.

[john_tas]

Does Syagrus litoralis (or any colder provenance romanzoffiana) exist and if so has anyone had experience with hardiness, are the claims of -9c/15f the real deal? 

John