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Spear pull protocol..

Borderzoner

By Borderzoner
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Borderzoner Apprentice

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Well it's been almost 2 months since the last major freeze. Nearly all roebelinnis, majesties, queens got the spear pull going on. The last of em are just now spear pulling. Nasty fungusy smells coming from the larger queens that are spear pulling. Some smaller roebelinnis, cat palms and majesties are melted to the ground. Not much hope there unless they are able to sprout from rhizomes. My main question is for the bigger queens and majesties. They have spear pulled but it's complicated because I don't know if it's too late since they started pulling weeks after the freeze event, and there's fungus smells all up in the holes. And on top of that its been raining off and on, and the holes have some water lodged in there. I've been putting peroxide in the holes, and going through a good bit of it. When I run out of peroxide I throw in some isopropyl alcohol or bacillus amyloliquifasciens (apparently a fungicide), just to at least put something antifungal in there. Are these last two okay to put in the spear hole? How do I know if it's gonna work or just a futile effort? The trunks of the bigger queens look alright, and there were a couple smaller queens that even made it. I just don't know if I'm too late or not. Can a palm regrow it's spear even if you don't pull it? Like if you let the old dead spear stay in there could it push through? Thanks. Gonna pick up some copper tomorrow. Can't believe I didn't have any copper. Would sulfur work okay as well?

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JLM Grand Master

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You have been drying them out after applying H2O2 right? Water in the holes will promote crown rot, and it will progress quickly. If they smell bad, thats not a good sign.

Palms - 1 Adonidia merillii, 1 Bismarckia nobilis, 2 Butia odorata, 1 BxJ, 1 BxJxBxS, 1 BxS, 1 Chamaerops humilis, 1 Chambeyronia macrocarpa, 1 Hyophorbe lagenicaulis, 1 Hyophorbe verschaffeltii, 1 Livistona chinensis, 1 Livistona nitida, 1 Phoenix canariensis, 3 Phoenix roebelenii, 2 Ravenea rivularis, 1 Rhapis excelsa, 1 Sabal bermudana, 3 Sabal palmetto, 4 Syagrus romanzoffiana, 8 Trachycarpus fortunei, 4 Washingtonia robusta, 1 Wodyetia bifurcata
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A trick I use to get smaller spear pulled palms dry after pouring hydrogen peroxide or fungicide into the hole is to blow it out with air. You can use a dust spray for this. Just make sure it doesn't ice up the center.

  

Borderzoner Apprentice

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Good idea! Might try a siphon pump first.

I chopped about half of them down to the base, about a foot or less from the ground, working my way down. There might be a few small ones still alive from the base. One is pushing out from a cut I made a couple days ago.

At least one or two intermediate size ones look dead from the base. Chopped them a few inches from the ground but the center where spear base is, is gross and goopy.

Trying to work my way down with the big ones. They all got spear pull. Had to climb them to pull the spears. Might be too late.. cut about 25% top trunk off. Might need to go 50% or more. 

Poured peroxide and alcohol in all of them regardless. 

JLM Grand Master

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2 hours ago, Borderzoner said:

Good idea! Might try a siphon pump first.

I chopped about half of them down to the base, about a foot or less from the ground, working my way down. There might be a few small ones still alive from the base. One is pushing out from a cut I made a couple days ago.

At least one or two intermediate size ones look dead from the base. Chopped them a few inches from the ground but the center where spear base is, is gross and goopy.

Trying to work my way down with the big ones. They all got spear pull. Had to climb them to pull the spears. Might be too late.. cut about 25% top trunk off. Might need to go 50% or more. 

Poured peroxide and alcohol in all of them regardless. 

How big are these palms?? If you cut them down too far they die immediately. Can we get some pics of these palms? 

Palms - 1 Adonidia merillii, 1 Bismarckia nobilis, 2 Butia odorata, 1 BxJ, 1 BxJxBxS, 1 BxS, 1 Chamaerops humilis, 1 Chambeyronia macrocarpa, 1 Hyophorbe lagenicaulis, 1 Hyophorbe verschaffeltii, 1 Livistona chinensis, 1 Livistona nitida, 1 Phoenix canariensis, 3 Phoenix roebelenii, 2 Ravenea rivularis, 1 Rhapis excelsa, 1 Sabal bermudana, 3 Sabal palmetto, 4 Syagrus romanzoffiana, 8 Trachycarpus fortunei, 4 Washingtonia robusta, 1 Wodyetia bifurcata
Total: 41

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Borderzoner Apprentice

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On 2/21/2023 at 7:34 PM, JLM said:

How big are these palms?? If you cut them down too far they die immediately. Can we get some pics of these palms? 

Hey y'all I'll post some pictures soon. I had to cut almost every palm. But many small 2 gal queens survived, about 10/15. It looks like at least two smaller intermediate queens out of about 5 survived. Looks like one big intermediate (trunking just a few feet, spear heights were about 15 foot) out of 2 survived. Maybe a couple of these 'dead' ones might also resurrect. I thought for sure the biggest one died, but it looks like it's poking through. Hard work pays off. On just the big one I used at least 32 fl oz of isopropyl alcohol, 70+oz H2O2, and 15fl oz copper fungicide .08% (not concentrate). It was very fungusy and when the spear pulled it was disgusting. I can't believe it survived. Unfortunately the biggest majesty just starting to trunk most likely has died. 

Something interesting is that a substantial number of seedling pindos spear pulled, or spears half rotted, but almot all did grow back. I don't know if this was due to the freeze event or something virulent, or a bit of both? But I ended up splitting a bottle of peroxide between them all.. although they may have not needed it. 

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Allen Grand Master

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2 minutes ago, Borderzoner said:

Hey y'all I'll post some pictures soon. I had to cut almost every palm. But many small 2 gal queens survived, about 10/15. It looks like at least two smaller intermediate queens out of about 5 survived. Looks like one big intermediate (trunking just a few feet, spear heights were about 15 foot) out of 2 survived. Maybe a couple of these 'dead' ones might also resurrect. I thought for sure the biggest one died, but it looks like it's poking through. Hard work pays off. On just the big one I used at least 32 fl oz of isopropyl alcohol, 70+oz H2O2, and 15fl oz copper fungicide .08% (not concentrate). It was very fungusy and when the spear pulled it was disgusting. I can't believe it survived. Unfortunately the biggest majesty just starting to trunk most likely has died. 

Something interesting is that a substantial number of seedling pindos spear pulled, or spears half rotted, but almot all did grow back. I don't know if this was due to the freeze event or something virulent, or a bit of both? But I ended up splitting a bottle of peroxide between them all.. although they may have not needed it. 

Good update.  Where are you located?  Can you put location in profile

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If your located in Florida, we usually have dry springs. 1 dose of Cooper fungicide in the crown will really increase your odds. We had a 10 minute rain yesterday (much needed) and I dumped peroxide in the crown on 1 palm with spear pull. 
 

location helps…as others in your area know best practices.

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