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Veitchia joannis in East Hawai'i

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I saw Tim's comment on Veitchia joannis here in the East Hawai'i area - here are 4 I obtained under that name.  The 4th one (looks like V arecina to me) was obtained from someone who said the seed came from a labelled tree at a nearby famous zoo.  Last picture was obtained as V arecina

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Last two photos look like Carpentaria acuminata to me. First three might be V. joannis, but they also don't look dramatically different from V. arecina, or whatever you want to call the common Florida-type Veitchia hybrids. 

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