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Howea with Leaning Crown Syndrome

epicure3

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epicure3 Grand Master

epicure3

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Someone had asked me to post a picture of the kentia in my neighborhood with LCS. Here she is.....genuflecting in all her glory.

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Coastal San Diego, California

Z10b

Dry summer subtropical/Mediterranean

warm summer/mild winter

epicure3 Grand Master

epicure3

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Coastal San Diego, California

Z10b

Dry summer subtropical/Mediterranean

warm summer/mild winter

LJG Grand Master

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I wish they new the cause of this. It scares me my palms might do this someday.  Dean Ouer has a bunch of nice plants doing this now which is sad to see.

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

kylecawazafla Veteran

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I noticed the same thing happening to a Howea at my friends house in Newport Beach. I asked on this forum and someone said if you cut away the fronds that were leaning it would correct itself. I don't know if they cared much about their palm though and implemented it (I didn't hear any feedback), but let's see if anyone else agrees with this. I think it was back in Jan 2005 though, so I don't think it's in the archives.

I'm always up for learning new things!

BigFrond Mentor

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(kylecawazafla @ Sep. 19 2007,15:52)

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I noticed the same thing happening to a Howea at my friends house in Newport Beach. I asked on this forum and someone said if you cut away the fronds that were leaning it would correct itself. I don't know if they cared much about their palm though and implemented it (I didn't hear any feedback), but let's see if anyone else agrees with this. I think it was back in Jan 2005 though, so I don't think it's in the archives.

I have a few flimsy ones with this problem.  I think it is a root issue.  Some of the roots may have rotted away.  I staked mine and them came back after a year or so.

LJG Grand Master

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Nothing to do with roots.

Dean Ouer does the cutting fronds. I think he says it works sometimes?

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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a few issues back the IPS magazine was asking for input of solutions or observations. Anyone know of progress?

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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fastfeat Grand Master

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I'm curious about the cause of this as well, despite it not being an issue in FL. I remember seeing this occasionally in SoCal over the years, but I never investigated it. Any new info or theories?

SoCal and SoFla; zone varies by location.

'Home is where the heart suitcase is'...

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LJG Grand Master

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Ken, not even the horticulturalist/botanist know. I have asked a few people that deal with palm sickness as a business. One thinks a key nutrient is lacking, others a fungus/virus/bacteria.

I am wondering if anyone has seen this in trees in hotter inland parts of SoCal. I have only seen this in plants with coastal influence. Personally, I have not seen this further inland where it is hotter in summer.

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

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Ken, not even the horticulturalist/botanist know. I have asked a few people that deal with palm sickness as a business. One thinks a key nutrient is lacking, others a fungus/virus/bacteria.

I am wondering if anyone has seen this in trees in hotter inland parts of SoCal. I have only seen this in plants with coastal influence. Personally, I have not seen this further inland where it is hotter in summer.

I have seen it inland as far as you, Len.

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

LJG Grand Master

LJG

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Where? Did the palm die?

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

epicure3 Grand Master

epicure3

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I also wonder if this "syndrome" only affects Howeas.

Coastal San Diego, California

Z10b

Dry summer subtropical/Mediterranean

warm summer/mild winter

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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It was over near Warmlands rd. I saw it several years ago when I was first starting. I'd be hard pressed to remember its exact location.

John-

 I have seen it on a king palm and it looks just as ugly.

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Theres some kings doing it in Dana Point, PCH and Del Obispo at the trailer park  demolition .

Daryl Grand Master

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Boron deficiency?

Gold Coast, Queensland Latitude 28S. Mild, Humid Subtropical climate. Rainfall - not consistent enough!

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(Daryl @ Nov. 12 2007,09:19)

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Boron deficiency?

I think boron is plentiful in most SoCal soils.

SoCal and SoFla; zone varies by location.

'Home is where the heart suitcase is'...

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"If, as they say, there truly is no rest for the wicked, how can the Devil's workshop be filled with idle hands?"

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BS Man about Palms

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Theres some kings doing it in Dana Point, PCH and Del Obispo at the trailer park  demolition .

Just saw it on a king in La Jolla today.....which brings me to... Does anyone think parts of La Jolla might be "Zone 11" ?

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Yes, I have heard of boron treatments being effective but, I know a guy who did cut the fronds on the side that was leaning and it did work! try that out...

JasonD Mentor

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Livistonas do this from time to time - I've seen decora, chinensis and australis all do it, and they look like they have classic boron deficiency. I've also seen quite a few queen palms do it here in chilly SF. I wonder whether chronic low soil temperatures might have an effect on boron uptake.

Jason Dewees

Inner Sunset District

San Francisco, California

Sunset zone 17

USDA zone 10a

21 inches / 530mm annual rainfall, mostly October to April

Humidity averages 60 to 85 percent year-round.

Summer: 67F/55F | 19C/12C

Winter: 56F/44F | 13C/6C

40-year extremes: 96F/26F | 35.5C/-3.8C

Brucer Enthusiast

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I have a tall one in my backyard in Sydney, about 30 years old that is bent badly.

I have added boron, and cut all the fronds off, as much as I can. The new small ones emerging, are still bending over.

Not sure what else I can do.

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