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Small Canopy Palm Recommendation

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Does anyone have any recommendations for a small canopy Palm that’s not a windmill palm? I have a small space to fill that won’t take a large canopy. 

aztropic Grand Master

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Silver med fan if you don't have one yet. Really stands out in the landscape.

 

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Mesa,Arizona

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Mesa, Arizona

 

Temps between 29F and 115F each year

mxcolin Community Regular

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I do have one of these. They are stunning. 

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P. robelenii or cycad sp.

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Some of the Brahea are reasonably small, I have Clara around 6-10' diameter and Nitida/Calcarea at 8' diameter.  If you want tall/skinny you could do something like an Attalea Cohune, which can be trimmed at a narrow "shuttlecock" form and not take a lot of horizontal space.  Otherwise maybe Coccothrinax like Aregentata, Argentea, Barbadensis/Dussiana.  Gaussia Princeps is a more cold-hardy "Bottle Palm" that can definitely survive 9b...but I don't know about dry hot CA 9b.  Livistona Muelleri is a smallish hardy fan.  If you want a "shrubbery" then Allagoptera Arenaria is a good option.  Copernicia Macroglossa is only about 6' diameter.

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mxcolin Community Regular

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Awesome, thank you. This gives me some great options to research. 

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Gaussia Princeps looks like a great call. Not sure how it will handle hot and dry central valley summers. The spot I have in mind only gets morning to early afternoon soon, but it was still hot enough to fry my Chinese Fan Palm. I'll do some more digging but this sure looks perfect for what I had in mind.

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Gaussia princeps is a cool looking palm in its younger years. Once they outgrow the bottle shape though, actually kinda ugly. Gaussia is the only species in my yard that consistently leaf spots every winter,and the trunks always pull toward the light...:unsure:

 

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Mesa, Arizona

 

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I've had good luck with Gaussia Princeps seedlings in 9b/9a borderline Central Floriduh.  I think I have about 20 planted around the yard, anywhere from 1' to just under 3' tall.  The backyard ones got spanked to the ground at 24F with frost, but the front yard ones did pretty well at around 27F with frost.  Ones that I thought were dead started resprouting leaves in May.  They have huge root systems compared to the above ground leaves, which might explain them being able to regrow after complete defoliation.  At the moment I'd guess that a good sized palm is several degrees hardier than a Bottle/Spindle...they tend to die around 28-30F.  I like the frond shape of Bottles/Spindles better, but both are nice and fill a good 4-6' diameter spot.

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Small canopy- upper or lower,, what overall height do you eventually want to get to? Full sun, part shade? I was thinking maybe a chamaedorea cluster of 3 or 4 plants. C. plumosa is a nice bunch, C radicalis tree forms also look good. Those two can take full sun and are pretty cold hardy. They'll get about 15' tall eventually. If you have more shade and want to push it, C tepejilote gives a really nice tropical look. If you can score the clustering type it's the gift that keeps on giving. It's like a 9B palm. I've had a few for several years now...

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Oakley, California

55 Miles E-NE of San Francisco, CA

Solid zone 9, I can expect at least one night in the mid to low twenties every year.

Hot, dry summers. Cold, wet winters.

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A better option would be a Pseudophoenix sargentii. These have small crowns, take full Arizona sun,are drought tolerant,and survive 28F without a scratch. A slow grower, definitely buy some time, and get the biggest one you can afford.

 

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Mesa, Arizona

 

Temps between 29F and 115F each year

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Ravenea xerophilla is another palm that would work well for your area. Very drought tolerant and full sun tolerant. Small canopy as they tend to grow mostly 'up'.

 

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Mesa,Arizona

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Mesa, Arizona

 

Temps between 29F and 115F each year

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  On 7/11/2022 at 6:14 PM, Patrick said:

Small canopy- upper or lower,, what overall height do you eventually want to get to? Full sun, part shade? I was thinking maybe a chamaedorea cluster of 3 or 4 plants. C. plumosa is a nice bunch, C radicalis tree forms also look good. Those two can take full sun and are pretty cold hardy. They'll get about 15' tall eventually. If you have more shade and want to push it, C tepejilote gives a really nice tropical look. If you can score the clustering type it's the gift that keeps on giving. It's like a 9B palm. I've had a few for several years now...

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Ideally between 3 to 6 feet. I tried the tepejilote, it didn't last one summer.

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  On 7/11/2022 at 6:17 PM, aztropic said:

A better option would be a Pseudophoenix sargentii. These have small crowns, take full Arizona sun,are drought tolerant,and survive 28F without a scratch. A slow grower, definitely buy some time, and get the biggest one you can afford.

 

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Mesa,Arizona

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These look super promising.

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There's two varieties of Psuedophoenix Sargentii, the regular and the "Navasana" type.  Navasana is much faster growing, but looks a little bit different.  I have a pair of young Navasana that took zero damage at 24F with frost.

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  On 7/11/2022 at 7:06 PM, Merlyn said:

There's two varieties of Psuedophoenix Sargentii, the regular and the "Navasana" type.  Navasana is much faster growing, but looks a little bit different.  I have a pair of young Navasana that took zero damage at 24F with frost.

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Nice, now how to get one here in California!!!

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aztropic Grand Master

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PalmMom007 is an IPS member and vendor on this site that could ship you one from Florida.

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Mesa, Arizona

 

Temps between 29F and 115F each year

mxcolin Community Regular

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  On 7/11/2022 at 9:13 PM, aztropic said:

PalmMom007 is an IPS member and vendor on this site that could ship you one from Florida.

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Wow, is there a website I can look at?

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https://www.premiergrowersfl.com/

Probably easiest to just give Shelby a call and tell her what you're looking for...

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Mesa, Arizona

 

Temps between 29F and 115F each year

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  On 7/11/2022 at 6:59 PM, mxcolin said:

Ideally between 3 to 6 feet. I tried the tepejilote, it didn't last one summer.

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Aah bummer the sun, got it. Ok, 3-6 feet, the first 2 chamaedoreas could hang. If you have patience and want to get stabbed, Trithrinax acanthacoma is a cool little palm. And cold hardy. Brahea elegans is cool but impossible to find....

Oakley, California

55 Miles E-NE of San Francisco, CA

Solid zone 9, I can expect at least one night in the mid to low twenties every year.

Hot, dry summers. Cold, wet winters.

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