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Butia yatay

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A couple of these already popped and got planted a couple weeks ago,, guess I should document growth. Or failure whichever way this goes. 

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Faster than odorata from what I've seen. I think so

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Butia Yatay Seeds that I got from RPS over a decade ago were football shaped not round. Id look online to see if you got the real deal. Id really like one again.

 

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Santa Barbara,  California. Zone 10b

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Santa Barbara,  California. Zone 10b

Ryan (Paleoclimatologist Since 4 billion Years ago, Meteorologist/Earth Scientist/Physicist Since 1995, Savy Horticulturist Since Birth.)

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Huh... well....regardless of which species/subspecies/variety they are, I'm having good germination rates, I don't know how many I've moved from baggies into pots, maybe a dozen.  Yatay would be nice but at this point I'm more of a beggar than a chooser so I'll take it whatever they are.  From what I've read online, germinating Butia seeds is supposed to be a painfully slow process.  These have been popping within I think 3 months or so now.  

Thanks for the info, I guess only time will tell.  I know that there is some variation within species, and from what I can tell even the experts aren't totally sure what to call any random Butia.  They're all Butias to me, some just look slightly different from others.  

I still think eriospatha is my favorite so far, I need to find a seed source for them.  

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1 hour ago, Jesse PNW said:

Huh... well....regardless of which species/subspecies/variety they are, I'm having good germination rates, I don't know how many I've moved from baggies into pots, maybe a dozen.  Yatay would be nice but at this point I'm more of a beggar than a chooser so I'll take it whatever they are.  From what I've read online, germinating Butia seeds is supposed to be a painfully slow process.  These have been popping within I think 3 months or so now.  

Thanks for the info, I guess only time will tell.  I know that there is some variation within species, and from what I can tell even the experts aren't totally sure what to call any random Butia.  They're all Butias to me, some just look slightly different from others.  

I still think eriospatha is my favorite so far, I need to find a seed source for them.  

My brother has a Butia Eriospatha. It survived less than 4F. North of Austin. I grew it myself so I know it to be true. But it will be awhile before it flowers. How young are you, lol. 

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Santa Barbara,  California. Zone 10b

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Butia Yata growing at a steady pace.

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3 hours ago, Gallop said:

Butia Yata growing at a steady pace.

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Can I ask where you obtained your palm?

Santa Barbara,  California. Zone 10b

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Butia yatay seeds are oblong, not spherical.   :)

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So then, Butia's with round seed - eriospatha and odorata?  That's all I can seem to find on palmpedia.  According to Palmpedia capitata has"  Elongated seeds and small trunks.

Therefore if you have a Butia `capitata` with round seeds its an odorata now. If you have a `capitata` with elongated seeds it could be a catarinensis or a real capitata" 

 

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My batch of seeds came from ebay, "thefunnyfarm38834".   I know this doesn't mean anything but here is the picture advertised with the listing:

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And here are the seed pics from palmpedia:

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Santa Barbara,  California. Zone 10b

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This is strange.  I had a batch of these in a zip lock, a few popped so I went to plant them, and it was actually 2 double germinators... 

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Thats neat! The seeds usually have 2-3 embryos in them. You've got some fresh seeds. 

I would guess odorata based on their size and shape. To me, Yatay have the most uniquely shaped seed of Butia. Its unmistakable. 

Either way - neat. 

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2 hours ago, Jesse PNW said:

This is strange.  I had a batch of these in a zip lock, a few popped so I went to plant them, and it was actually 2 double germinators... 

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I had a bunch of those and even a triple in the seeds I germinated. Really threw me off! They were pretty easy to separate. 3 palms for 1 seed... that's what I call a good deal!

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On 5/26/2022 at 10:14 PM, Jesse PNW said:

My batch of seeds came from ebay, "thefunnyfarm38834".   I know this doesn't mean anything but here is the picture advertised with the listing:

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And here are the seed pics from palmpedia:

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I just started some seeds from the same seller. What ever the true identity, I'm hoping the heat will help germination.

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On 7/15/2022 at 5:11 PM, ShadyDan said:

I had a bunch of those and even a triple in the seeds I germinated. Really threw me off! They were pretty easy to separate. 3 palms for 1 seed... that's what I call a good deal!

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You know what you’re doing for sure…took a squirrel to steal and bury mine to get one to germinate…found it up against my ground level deck, dug it up and potted it this spring…the seed made it through the winter in ground, undetected, sprouted and is working on its second strap…ordered the Butia Catarinensis seeds. They were, indeed, oblong and shaped like footballs…I tried the bag method but mold took over, laid the seeds out to dry and the varmint took them all…hoping to find more strays but doubtful…keep up the good work!

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Yes I would like to get to the bottom of the mystery of this non-football-shaped, spherical-to-slightly-elliptical seed. The seedlings have had a thinner strap compared to my odoratas. They got to their second and third straps much quicker and germination was also faster (admittedly I had honed my conditionsand had a lot more seed, but my odorata took 2 years to sprout).

It's not like RPS to knowingly sell something mislabeled,  but they could be mistaken and have a hybrid or something else.

It also seems possible to me that the palmpedia pictured seed of yatay might not be accurate.  People working in the field also make mistakes and someone like me would have no way of knowing. I have seen things on palmpedia which I'm fairly certain were mislabeled.  There is a good deal of suspect entries and information.  I like it as a resource but do not consider it infallible.  I appreciate any and all viewpoints toward the solving of this conundrum.

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20 minutes ago, Frond-friend42 said:

Yes I would like to get to the bottom of the mystery of this non-football-shaped, spherical-to-slightly-elliptical seed. The seedlings have had a thinner strap compared to my odoratas. They got to their second and third straps much quicker and germination was also faster (admittedly I had honed my conditionsand had a lot more seed, but my odorata took 2 years to sprout).

It's not like RPS to knowingly sell something mislabeled,  but they could be mistaken and have a hybrid or something else.

It also seems possible to me that the palmpedia pictured seed of yatay might not be accurate.  People working in the field also make mistakes and someone like me would have no way of knowing. I have seen things on palmpedia which I'm fairly certain were mislabeled.  There is a good deal of suspect entries and information.  I like it as a resource but do not consider it infallible.  I appreciate any and all viewpoints toward the solving of this conundrum.

I purchased Butia Yatay from RPS 11 years ago 1000 of them, and they ALL looked exactly like large narrow footballs  those that actually grow in the reserve that have been documented. They get their seeds second hand source, so I am pretty sure the recent ( last many years) are NOT true.

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Santa Barbara,  California. Zone 10b

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Update on my mystery Butias. Not really very fast.

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On 5/21/2022 at 1:41 PM, Frond-friend42 said:

Faster than odorata from what I've seen. I think so

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Back in 2022 I also bought Butia yatay seeds from RPS and the seeds are round and some are still attached to the seedlings.

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