Thought I’d add a couple of photos of Clinostigma in the garden. Such beautiful palms and can be quite robust given the right conditions.

Tim

Clinostigma samoense

Clinostigma ‘Hawaiian hybrid’

C. savoyanum 

Tim

 

3 hours ago, realarch said:

Such beautiful palms and can be quite robust given the right conditions.

Agreed Tim.  This little one was added after I deleted a Caryota and then tried an Adonidia hybrid and gave up on it.  No new photos of my older one in Carlsbad which inspired me to plant one in this garden.  They thrive in your climate, but can do pretty well here as well.

6 hours ago, realarch said:

Thought I’d add a couple of photos of Clinostigma in the garden. Such beautiful palms and can be quite robust given the right conditions.

Tim

Clinostigma samoense

Love this palm!! Yours look amazing I have a little one here in coastal Orange County that has been a surprisingly good grower for me even though I don't probably get as much heat as it wants. Can't wait till it grows up like yours. 

 

I have 2 courtesy of Brian. Surprisingly they have been cold hardy and solid medium growth palms. Putting out 4 leaves a year. Seen 33 and haven’t blinked possibly 32. Not one spec of frost damage. I suspect the waxy covering of the leaves helps.

Edited February 25, 20224 yr by James B

46 minutes ago, James B said:

I have 2 courtesy of Brian. Surprisingly they have been cold hardy and solid medium growth palms. Putting out 4 leaves a year. Seen 33 and haven’t blinked possibly 32. Not one spec of frost damage. I suspect the waxy covering of the leaves helps.

This makes me want to replace my Washy. 

1 hour ago, James B said:

I have 2 courtesy of Brian. Surprisingly they have been cold hardy and solid medium growth palms. Putting out 4 leaves a year. Seen 33 and haven’t blinked possibly 32. Not one spec of frost damage. I suspect the waxy covering of the leaves helps.

Damn! It looks good. Seems to do well in that shaded spot. I’ve seen @-2 brian ‘s in HB and his is a little sheltered too but gets direct sun only for a couple hours or so i believe. I have one in an overgrown 3G that I need to plant out this spring. I’m thinking a little more sun than you both. Hope it will do ok. 
 

-dale

4 hours ago, Tracy said:

Agreed Tim.  This little one was added after I deleted a Caryota and then tried an Adonidia hybrid and gave up on it.  No new photos of my older one in Carlsbad which inspired me to plant one in this garden.  They thrive in your climate, but can do pretty well here as well.

@Tracy, how much sun exposure would u say your clinostigma gets and what direction is it facing? I assume the watering schedule is similar to most other palms in the yard?

 

-dale

9 hours ago, Billeb said:

Damn! It looks good. Seems to do well in that shaded spot. I’ve seen @-2 brian ‘s in HB and his is a little sheltered too but gets direct sun only for a couple hours or so i believe. I have one in an overgrown 3G that I need to plant out this spring. I’m thinking a little more sun than you both. Hope it will do ok. 
 

-dale

Thanks! I think its all about finding the best possible light environment for your climate if you are in Cali. Since you are costal you can go with more sun than I can. I have mine well protected under dense canopy of Archontophoenix. So it gets filtered light all day. Certain times of the year it gets a bit of direct sun from a bit of an angle in the afternoon but I have yet to see any damage of any kind sunburn wise. Here I get 10-15 days of 100 degrees or hotter in summer so my sun is pretty intense. They have performed much better than I hoped for. I am 50 miles inland in Rancho Cucamonga and based on high temp low humid this should be a hostile environment for this palm species. I have created a microclimate due to densely packing in palms at my yard that increases the humidity level by 5-7% over what would be normal in my yard. This could be just enough to tip the balance. This palm is probably the biggest success in my yard as far as zone stretching(Its in a 10a spot on the west side of my yard).

9 hours ago, Billeb said:

@Tracy, how much sun exposure would u say your clinostigma gets and what direction is it facing? I assume the watering schedule is similar to most other palms in the yard?

 

-dale

So the white fence behind it is to the West, protecting it at this size from the late afternoon sun.  It does get early am filtered and mid-morning through mid-day full sun.  The one in Carlsbad is between 2 two story houses, so in winter is pretty shaded when the arc of the sun is low, but in summer gets am through until about 4pm full sun.  They appreciate water, so I actually give it a little supplement between normal drip irrigation when I water the adjacent orchids in summer months.  The one in Carlsbad doesn't get any supplemental water, but the soil there is clay so doesn't drain as fast.  Carlsbad one is below from last summer.

I want one... But, alas, no suitable location...

Butch

Looking good all! Worth the effort if conditions permit.

Tracy, that Clino looks pretty darn nice. One of the characteristics of this palm that I find most attractive is that prominent lime green crown shaft which yours exhibits. Carpoxylon and Bentinckia also have a stunning crown shaft, but they grow so fast and tall that the window looking at, not up, is short. 

Tim

13 hours ago, Billeb said:

Damn! It looks good. Seems to do well in that shaded spot. I’ve seen @-2 brian ‘s in HB and his is a little sheltered too but gets direct sun only for a couple hours or so i believe. I have one in an overgrown 3G that I need to plant out this spring. I’m thinking a little more sun than you both. Hope it will do ok. 
 

-dale

Its getting a bit more sun now as its getting taller. I think by the end of this summer it'll be getting a fair amount of sun. But its got. no overhead protection and isn't bothered by sun or cold. At least what it see's here in Huntington Beach. Put that 3G in the ground and it'll take off for you. 

Of course, the Hawaii experience is irrelevant to mainland growers, but here are two of my largest Clinostigma samoense.  They went into the ground exactly nine years ago from 5 gallon pots I got from Bo Lundkvist's nursery clearance. They were about knee high at the time. They are growing in about 2-3 feet of black cinder with an IV drip of fertilizer. The juvenile entire leaves lasted about two years.  Zoom in and you might be able to see me at the bottom, and I'm a big guy.  At my place (~150" rain a year), this species is a rocket, right up there with Pigafetta.  Before taking the photo I carefully checked for anything in the crown that looked like it might want to drop.  Carelessness could be fatal. This one has ten very large infructescences.  These trees now put so much energy into fruiting that I believe the overall growth rate has slowed. I wish there was some kind of plant hormone spray that would prevent flowering. They look so much better without inflorescences. Definitely not gonna try sawing them off.  The crownshafts are 8-9 feet long and very heavy.  When fronds come crashing down, the house shakes.

Rick…..Watch Out….Run!  

Not only are the frond and leaf sheath heavy, the rapid growth makes them fall, what seems, constantly. I personally got tired of picking them up and assessing the collateral damage. The ones by the house were removed and new ones were planted in the open space out back.

Problem solved.

Tim

It feels like my C. samoense get more than their fair share of exposure here, but here goes again. No secret that these are one of my favorite palms. Their graceful, elegant perfection as a palm still blows me away every time I look at them. 
First photo, dead center under the rainbow. 

 

Second photo shows the very different roots of C. harlandii, sourced in 2017, planted out early 2019. 

Most recent photo (1/31/22) of one of my first palms planted on my property back in January 2010. 

and there are a few more along the path, though I lost 3 to who knows what…

Yes the fronds are heavy!  But I am pleased to be able to rise to the challenge! 

Kim, there is something about Clinostigma in Leilani Estates. The semi rural, abundant vegetation, and the ‘Johnny Appleseed’ of Clino’s, Bo Goran, who must have inspired hundreds of plantings there. They are everywhere. 

Yours look terrific.

Tim

Thanks Tim! It's true, we are lucky to see Clinostigma samoense on nearly all the streets of Leilani Estates thanks to Bo's former nursery. Everyone who saw those Clinostigma fell in love with them.    Such a tropical look, so South Pacific. 

 

This thread has got me going on the subject of Clinostigmas. Here are very recent pics of my species. Lawn chair for scale in some. Date in parentheses are the planting dates for each species.

Clinostigma warburgii (I prefer samoense, but this is "correct") (July 2009). They are older than Rick's and about half the size. Is there something in the water over there, Rick? For a long time, these trees produced hollow fruit. Just recently, they have started producing thousands (!!) of hard fruits that look right after the mesocarp is removed. I sowed a few a couple weeks ago to see if they are viable.

Here are my harlandiis (July 2012).  Small red fruits. I have germinated some. Pretty fast grower, seems to want to be tall.

And here are my ponapenses (November 2013). These are the fastest growing of my Clinos, almost rival Pigafettas. Some fruit seems to be growing on one of the fruit bracts on the one up front in the photo.

 

And hear are my exorrhizums (April 2015). Don't seem to need to grow tall before flowering. I add a pic of what I think are ripe fruit - these are unbelievably small. Clippers for scale. They separate and fall like ripe seeds. I have sown some in a pot to check viability.

 

 

My savoryanums February 2017) purchased from Floribunda are too young to have started flowering.

 

Finally, gronophyllum (February 2018). Purchased from Floribunda. These need to grow, I lost one by keeping in a pot for too long. This one has produced immature bracts already. Orange bucket is 5-gal.

 

 

Wow, quite a collection Mike! Those C. ponapense are killer! 

Hi,

without doubt one of the most beautiful palm species - at least in my eyes. 

Okinawa is not the perfect place for them so it takes a little bit more time but we are on the way...

After three weeks of very rainy and windy days - a bit shaken up - C. samonense...

...already showing some trunk. Btw., this year I am going to provide some extra watering on daily basis starting next month - I hope it speeds things up a bit. 

Looks not perfect but took the step from "tiny" to "small" during the last year, C. ponapense. (same plan with providing some extra water this year)

Finally...

One of at least fifteen or more I was able to grow from a seed batch I got delivered from its habitat, the Bonin/Ogasawara islands -

C.savoryanum. (I think I will put one or two in the ground soon...)

 

Thank you all for those great images!

 

regards 

Lars

 

 

Here is my c. Gronophyllum. I got this from a friend not to long ago and I am obsessed with his mature one

Hey John, where did you get the ‘Gronophyllum’ name? That’s the old name for Hydriastele. 

Tim