Jubaea chilensis Zone 11A

[mydateplams]

 

Does anyone know of any Jubaea chilensis / Wine Palms gowning in Zone 11A?  I bought one with 4 1/2ft of trunk and will be relocating it from Vista CA to Palm Springs CA.

 

[mydateplams]

Let me ask this another way. Anyone know of these gowning in 120 degree summers full sun?

[Chester B]

3 hours ago, mydateplams said:

Let me ask this another way. Anyone know of these gowning in 120 degree summers full sun?

There are people on here who have posted theirs growing in AZ, so I think it should survive for you.  If I remember they were a little more brown on older fronds than what you usually see.

[mydateplams]

Thanks Chester have any links you can share. I did a quick look and didn't see anything. I'm just trying to get a better understanding and how others are placing them. 

[aztropic]

Full sun Jubaea,Phoenix,AZ.

I also grow this species to sell from seed in full sun in Mesa,AZ without any problems.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

[mydateplams]

Thanks Aztropic for the photo that's what I was looking for for.

 

How much water you giving them?

 

[aztropic]

The large in ground specimen belongs to FM 96720 in Phoenix,AZ.

I grow this species from seed and water 5 gallon buckets twice a week over 100 degrees,and once a week or less at lower temps.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

[mnorell]

I'm so surprised to see that these are so heat-hardy. I haven't seen a single one here in the Coachella Valley. You'd think someone would have planted some in a public/prominent place somewhere between Palm Springs and La Quinta over the years. Maybe I just haven't been lucky enough to stumble upon one. I wonder if these are faster or slower growing in the heat of the low desert? I always think of this species as loving a cool fog-desert type of climate (as in coastal Chile). The most beautiful specimens I've ever seen were on the eastern shore of Lago di Como, at the Villa Melzi, in Bellagio, Italy...in the alps! Of course now this makes me think about planting one in Rancho Mirage. I love this species but am not sure I want to give up that much of our lot to one...LOL. It might work here because our neighborhood gets some cool air drainage on summer nights, we usually go down to about 72 whereas the most winter-warm areas (top of Cathedral Canyon and Cahuilla Hills) choke in 90-degree lows in summer due to the inversion. I assume this species would not like those kinds of low temps.

[mydateplams]

Monrell I have lived in the Coachella Valley for 40 years and have never seen one as well.  I think its still a new palm to the local growers as I have talked to a lot of them and they have now clue. Now if you ask them about a Medjool they will know everything about it. Brace yourself I have one coming to the Coachella Valley and will document it.

My concern is wind burn from the hot blowing wind in the summer.

[mnorell]

I hope you will post your progress with the palm you plant, it would be a very interesting and useful experiment. The odd thing is that Jubaea has been around in SoCal for well over 100 years (it was one of those rather common palms for the early "pioneers" of coastal California from S.F. to San Diego and then as the lots got crowded, and smaller, and smaller, they seem to have largely disappeared, much as the Bunya-Bunya trees have. I just reached for my copy of Palms by Desmond Muirhead (famous landscape architect who did many of the large golf-courses in Palm Springs and Rancho Mirage) and lo and behold he states (in the early 1960s) that there are many fine specimens in Riverside; and that "It does well throughout the warm temperate zone from San Francisco (there is a good specimen in Golden Gate Park), and in the desert with a hardiness about equivalent to the Canary Island Date Palm." So perhaps that bodes well for your palm...and makes me continue to contemplate one here in Rancho Mirage. We are located in Magnesia Falls Cove, largely out of the wind-zone, so I would hope the wind won't be too much of a consideration where I am (though of course it does give a good hurricane-strength blow, seemingly out of nowhere, every now and then...umbrellas swiftly deposited in the pool, as I'm sure you have seen many times in your 40+ years).

[gurugu]

There is a very tall one in the botanical garden in Puerto de la Cruz, Tenerife, a 12a zone, although not as hot as Arizona or South California. 

[mydateplams]

UPDATE ON THIS:  

I was picking up nursery pots and the seller had a few Wine Palms and offered me a deal on one I couldn't pass.

The day started with loading up the 26ft trailer and driving 2hrs.

To give an idea of the palm size compared to the tractor.

And then the battel starts.  I started digging around the palm.

The hole was like 4-5ft deep.

Down it goes

 

Moving this palm was an under taken it weighed my guess 2000 pounds and the tractor was almost to small for it.

Taken my prize

 

 

On my way home after a long day.

 

The next day up and early 

 

 

 

[realarch]

That’s an OMG event! I can’t even imagine the weight of that palm. Good luck and keep us posted on it’s progress. 

Tim

[palmfriend]

Congrats from here as well! That is a beauty - all the best with it! 

Lars

 

[mydateplams]

Hope it makes it. I have read they are ok on transplanting my concern is wind burn from the how summer winds.   

I also picked up -

2 - 15gal - Raveena majesty (Majesty

2 - 15gal Rhapis Excelsa (Lady Palms

1 - 36 box - Butia capitata

1 - 15gal  - Butia capitata

 

 

[tinman10101]

good luck with the transplant.  that will be an amazing spectacle in a couple of years.  please keep us updated

[Scott W]

Man that's one hell of a move!  Definitely keep this thread updated!

[Tom in Tucson]

Bump.

Would you please be so kind as to provide for me any type of update concerning how this transplant has performed since this tree was relocated to your property in Palm Springs? I'm trying to gather evidence concerning the performance of this species in the Sonoran Desert. Thanks in advance.

Hi 103˚, Lo 77˚ Aug 31

[mydateplams]

Hello everyone. Sorry for the delay. Well. It's still alive. Not happy it's coming out of shock and a hot hot hot summer.  If it was hotter any longer it would have been lost for sure.

Growing and pushing up a green spear.  My hope is that the cooler weather lately here will allow it to turn around.

Any thoughts or suggestions?

Below photo to the right I have Lady Palms - Rhapis Excelsa the tips of the leaves look the same. It is green and growing just the tips are burnt.

[SeanK]

Hindsight is 20/20 but shade cloth would have helped over the summer.

[SailorBold]

I'm not sure how much rain you get where you are..if like where I am.. its very little... but I'd try to direct as much of that run off from the house to the root zone..

[SailorBold]

Any kind of mulch would benefit... rocks... bark.. pecan shells... etc.. keep soil moisture..

Edited September 13, 2023 by SailorBold

[Tom in Tucson]

11 hours ago, mydateplams said:

Hello everyone. Sorry for the delay. Well. It's still alive. Not happy it's coming out of shock and a hot hot hot summer.  If it was hotter any longer it would have been lost for sure.

Growing and pushing up a green spear.  My hope is that the cooler weather lately here will allow it to turn around.

Any thoughts or suggestions?

Below photo to the right I have Lady Palms - Rhapis Excelsa the tips of the leaves look the same. It is green and growing just the tips are burnt.

Thank you for taking the time to get as many shots of this palm as you did. I know from your previous posts, that you invested a lot of time and expense to relocate and plant it. I'm sure, as others have advised, that with a little TLC, you can eventually revive it to it's former condition. If you don't mind, I'd like to make a suggestion: If it were my palm, I would invest in two boxed Desert Ironwood (Olneya tesota) trees at least 10' high, and plant each about 6' from the trunk. One on the SW side, and the other on the SE side. They should offer enough shade for a good chance of a full recovery. In a few years it should start growing a full set of healthy leaves again.

Hi 98˚, Lo 72˚