Ceroxylon quindiuense in Myrtle Beach?

[Pee Dee Palms]

Since there is very little information about this palm on the internet, it is hard for me to tell if it is possible to grow this palm in my climate.  I hear that it likes cool humid summers which is definitely not my climate. But I do have a very cool north facing wall that is quite wet. I have an Ostrich Fern there which isn't suppose to grow in my climate and is thriving. So does anyone think that I could pull it off at my north facing wall? I also don't know the light requirements too, because it is very hard for me to find info on it. My northern wall gets full morning sun. Not sure if that would be enough for it.

[Chester B]

When they say cool humid summers - think San Francisco.  I don't think it would work for you, these seem to be pretty picky and as far as I know only a few spots on the west coast are suitable habitats.

[Pee Dee Palms]

2 hours ago, Chester B said:

When they say cool humid summers - think San Francisco.  I don't think it would work for you, these seem to be pretty picky and as far as I know only a few spots on the west coast are suitable habitats.

Ahh okay, thanks!

[PalmatierMeg]

Ceroxylons cannot tolerate hot, humid summers like we have in the SE US. I believe most of them come from high altitude South American cloud forest climates that are cool with very little temp variations, say 50s to 70sF. 

[Pee Dee Palms]

52 minutes ago, PalmatierMeg said:

Ceroxylons cannot tolerate hot, humid summers like we have in the SE US. I believe most of them come from high altitude South American cloud forest climates that are cool with very little temp variations, say 50s to 70sF. 

It is strange because they are classified as 8b. My north facing wall hardly ever gets over 70.

[DAVEinMB]

17 minutes ago, General Sylvester D. Palm said:

My north facing wall hardly ever gets over 70.

The only places in Myrtle Beach that stay at 70 or below are air conditioned

[Pee Dee Palms]

4 minutes ago, DAVEinMB said:

The only places in Myrtle Beach that stay at 70 or below are air conditioned

Well, I didn't phrase it correctly. It does get over 70 but not really warm 70s. I don't think I've ever seen it reach over 80 there. Maybe on really really hot days in the 100s. And I've lived in that spot for 11 years. It is cooler than you would think.

Edited November 2, 2021 by General Sylvester D. Palm

[DAVEinMB]

7 hours ago, General Sylvester D. Palm said:

Well, I didn't phrase it correctly. It does get over 70 but not really warm 70s. I don't think I've ever seen it reach over 80 there. Maybe on really really hot days in the 100s. And I've lived in that spot for 11 years. It is cooler than you would think.

I'm skeptical; in the dead of summer overnight lows are in the mid 70s and that's just heat hanging around after the sun sets. But at the same time it would be cool as hell to see one of these palms in Myrtle so if you think conditions on the north side of your house could sustain one, do it up

Zone pushing is a hell of a drug 

Edited November 3, 2021 by DAVEinMB

[PalmatierMeg]

15 hours ago, General Sylvester D. Palm said:

It is strange because they are classified as 8b. My north facing wall hardly ever gets over 70.

What you don't seem to get is that Ceroxylons can survive only in a very narrow range of temps and need consistently cool/chilly temps year round. The zone classification for Ceroxylons is faulty. I'm from VA and have visited Myrtle Beach in the summer and I know temps in the SE US get into the high 80s/90s for weeks on end. Nights fall only into the 70s in mid-summer. Ceroxylons will likely melt at temps over 70-75. And no palm species that requires chilly nights can survive SC's sweltering nights. When have nights in Myrtle Beach in July fallen to 40-50F? And I can only imagine how a palm from the cool Andes will cope with sea level salt air in SC.

I'm not trying to stop you from zone-pushing a Ceroxylon where you live. Your money, spend it as you wish. Check Floribunda for Ceroxylon availability and order a few.  Just please report to us the results of your experiments. I would love to know if I have a chance with this palm after all.

[Pee Dee Palms]

9 hours ago, DAVEinMB said:

I'm skeptical; in the dead of summer overnight lows are in the mid 70s and that's just heat hanging around after the sun sets. But at the same time it would be cool as hell to see one of these palms in Myrtle so if you think conditions on the north side of your house could sustain one, do it up

Zone pushing is a hell of a drug 

Typically my north facing wall is around in the 60s at night in hot summers. Remember, what you just said is typically in areas that get a lot of sun. Such as East or South facing walls. That is when the heat stays around from the sun. Yes, it can float around in the air a bit, but typically with my house it doesn't do that much. I very could be the first person to try to grow one of these in Myrtle. And boy are you right, zone pushing is a hell of a drug! 

[Pee Dee Palms]

1 hour ago, PalmatierMeg said:

What you don't seem to get is that Ceroxylons can survive only in a very narrow range of temps and need consistently cool/chilly temps year round. The zone classification for Ceroxylons is faulty. I'm from VA and have visited Myrtle Beach in the summer and I know temps in the SE US get into the high 80s/90s for weeks on end. Nights fall only into the 70s in mid-summer. Ceroxylons will likely melt at temps over 70-75. And no palm species that requires chilly nights can survive SC's sweltering nights. When have nights in Myrtle Beach in July fallen to 40-50F? And I can only imagine how a palm from the cool Andes will cope with sea level salt air in SC.

I'm not trying to stop you from zone-pushing a Ceroxylon where you live. Your money, spend it as you wish. Check Floribunda for Ceroxylon availability and order a few.  Just please report to us the results of your experiments. I would love to know if I have a chance with this palm after all.

Yes, I will admit, it NEVER gets that cold in the summer at night. I bet it would probably do best in the winter. For me, my North facing wall tends to be in the 60s at night in the summer. But again, that is what the term "zone pushing" is for.

[Pee Dee Palms]

I also forgot to add, there is a house right across from my North facing wall. It is a one story house and wind goes right over it, speeding up the wind speed and creating even more cool air near my north facing wall. Any ideas on to make it even cooler there?

[Darold Petty]

I support zone pushing, and we learn nothing new by sticking to the conventional wisdom,   but my feeling that this is doomed to failure.   

[Pee Dee Palms]

2 minutes ago, Darold Petty said:

I support zone pushing, and we learn nothing new by sticking to the conventional wisdom,   but my feeling that this is doomed to failure.   

Well, most likely your right, but these things aren't too expensive. I might as well. I am trying to think of other palms that might be good for my north facing wall that you don't see here in Myrtle.

[Pee Dee Palms]

Does anyone know of anymore Ceroxylons that may have just a tad better chance?

[Darold Petty]

Ceroxylon amazonicum is listed as occuring at the lowest elevation above sea level, ...I only grow the high elevation, cloud forest ones. 

[Pee Dee Palms]

Also, here is my weather forecast for the next 7 days incase this might help on determining on whether I should do this or not. Remember, if I were to plant this palm it would be at my shady north facing wall. So most likely these day temps would be a few degrees cooler.

Thursday: 58° and 42°

Friday: 58° and 45°

Saturday: 63° and 46°

Sunday: 66° and 43°

Monday: 69° and 46°

Tuesday: 72° and 49°

Wednesday: 72° and 56°

 

Current temperature: 63°

My north facing wall temperature: 58°

My south facing wall temperature: 86°

[PalmatierMeg]

It's November. What about August?

[DAVEinMB]

@General Sylvester D. Palm i don't think you're gonna win the popular vote on this one brother, this is gonna boil down to whether or not you wanna roll the dice.

My opinion, if you can source one fairly cheap it would be worth a shot but this is not one of those situations I'd throw a bunch of money at. But.... you're not me, so keep us in the loop as to what you decide. 

[DAVEinMB]

Just now, PalmatierMeg said:

It's November. What about August?

70 degree magical microclimate

[Pee Dee Palms]

1 minute ago, DAVEinMB said:

@General Sylvester D. Palm i don't think you're gonna win the popular vote on this one brother, this is gonna boil down to whether or not you wanna roll the dice.

My opinion, if you can source one fairly cheap it would be worth a shot but this is not one of those situations I'd throw a bunch of money at. But.... you're not me, so keep us in the loop as to what you decide. 

I knew I wasn't going to, just did this to see what other people think.

[PalmatierMeg]

Not the Myrtle Beach I know. It must have become a really magical place since the 80s or somebody watched too many Harry Potter movies.

[Pee Dee Palms]

2 minutes ago, DAVEinMB said:

70 degree magical microclimate

I did make a mistake on the first post I made. It does get over 70 in the summer at my "magical microclimate". Sometimes it goes over 80. Definitely doesn't go over 80 in the summer at night. 

[Pee Dee Palms]

6 minutes ago, PalmatierMeg said:

Not the Myrtle Beach I know. It must have become a really magical place since the 80s or somebody watched too many Harry Potter movies.

Not Myrtle Beach, only the very small town of Socastee. This place is super magical.

Edited November 3, 2021 by General Sylvester D. Palm

[PalmatierMeg]

Ah! Okay

[Jimhardy]

LOL. 

 

How much would it cost to find one of the Wax palms?

In other words, how much would you potentially lose...cause if its

not to much I would go for it! What have you got to lose?  If you 

could find one of decent size 3-5 gallon why not try it? I have lots of palms that don't grow

here (And other myths) Also...you could try a larger one and in addition get some seeds,maybe

there would be one that would adjust and keep growing-never know.  I mean we probably do but why not try it?

I saw a thread on here in the last week where someone had a picture of one growing in (possibly Florida???) 

I could not find that thread but the palm had like 2 leaves on it and didn't look great but it was "alive"

[DAVEinMB]

38 minutes ago, General Sylvester D. Palm said:

I did make a mistake on the first post I made. It does get over 70 in the summer at my "magical microclimate". Sometimes it goes over 80. Definitely doesn't go over 80 in the summer at night. 

Lol I know, I couldn't help myself tho

[Pee Dee Palms]

Just now, DAVEinMB said:

Lol I know, I couldn't help myself tho

Lol I would have said the same thing too.

[Pee Dee Palms]

7 minutes ago, Jimhardy said:

LOL. 

 

How much would it cost to find one of the Wax palms?

In other words, how much would you potentially lose...cause if its

not to much I would go for it! What have you got to lose?  If you 

could find one of decent size 3-5 gallon why not try it? I have lots of palms that don't grow

here (And other myths) Also...you could try a larger one and in addition get some seeds,maybe

there would be one that would adjust and keep growing-never know.  I mean we probably do but why not try it?

I saw a thread on here in the last week where someone had a picture of one growing in (possibly Florida???) 

I could not find that thread but the palm had like 2 leaves on it and didn't look great but it was "alive"

Yeah, if I can find one that is pretty cheap but has some size, I might as well pull the trigger. They seem to be not too expensive, despite them being rare. Hopefully I can pull it off. Definitely not going to keep my hopes high though.

Edited November 3, 2021 by General Sylvester D. Palm

[Jimhardy]

I guess we missed the sale haha.  scroll down to the C's $40 on sale.   I like where it says "50' or more"

https://www.junglemusic.net/Summer_Palm_Sale/Palm_Tree_Specials.html

[Pee Dee Palms]

20 minutes ago, Jimhardy said:

I like where it says "50' or more"

 

Just casually the tallest monocot in the world LOL.

[Pee Dee Palms]

21 minutes ago, Jimhardy said:

I guess we missed the sale haha.  scroll down to the C's $40 on sale.   I like where it says "50' or more"

https://www.junglemusic.net/Summer_Palm_Sale/Palm_Tree_Specials.html

Thanks for sending me that! Do you think they still have them available just not for sale?

[Pee Dee Palms]

Alright everyone, I have one more question. I want to try to end this thread because it is getting so long. Could the Ceroxylon quindiuense live in Myrtle Beach ONLY in the winter? Or would it have some other problem. Also, there is a very good chance I will try this one out regardless of what people say. And if I do (which is really likely) I will keep you guys updated. I don't have high hopes but I do have hopes.

Edited November 4, 2021 by General Sylvester D. Palm

[Jimhardy]

If you are still young enough you could buy seeds and see if you get a "special" one

that (strating out small) may adapt......and who knows with all the volcanic activity

going on we may have some cooler temps coming...a couple of "Year without a summer"

type weather events should get you started haha.......but the winters may be to cold.

[Pee Dee Palms]

11 hours ago, Jimhardy said:

If you are still young enough you could buy seeds and see if you get a "special" one

that (strating out small) may adapt......and who knows with all the volcanic activity

going on we may have some cooler temps coming...a couple of "Year without a summer"

type weather events should get you started haha.......but the winters may be to cold.

I am trying to start to worry less about the winter. I think if I protect my palms they should all be fine. This is one of the very few times I am worried about the day time temperature. And yes, I think you have the right idea with the seeds. If I were to get them started in my climate, maybe they would adapt to it. I know a place online that sells these seeds and they are in stock. Might as well do that.

[Josue Diaz]

C. amazonicum did not like heat for me. I lost a 5 gallon palm in dry heat well before we ever hit 90F in Fresno, CA . It just gave up and slumped over. 

Edited November 4, 2021 by Josue Diaz