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Licualas in So-Cal?

DoomsDave

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DoomsDave Grand Master

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I know that L. ramsayi does reasonably well here in a mild climate, with regular water. (Okay, LOTS of water.)

But what about other species? Like distans or peltata? Good, bad? Varied?

Come forth with stories happy or sad, or mixed and share!

Below is L. distans. See why I'm curious?

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L. fordiana is one of the cold hardier Licualas. I am growing some from seeds. L. spinosa is also fairly sturdy. I have a feeling you might do better with the split leaf species rather than the coveted whole leaf species because of CA's drying winds. That means you might want to avoid L. grandis, cordata, peltata sumawonga and the like.

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Looking forward to responses growing Licuala in California and the trials and tribulations there of. 

It seems like the thicker leaf species would have a better chance of long term survival than say, L. distans, which has a thin almost delicate leaf. I doubt it could stand hot, dry, conditions for an extended period. Maybe the right micro climate will allow the ability to grow beautiful palm and other Licuala.

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I'm really hoping "distans" will do well for me, as I bought 5 of them in July. The tallest at that time measured 9.5" and is now 11/5" (2.5 months later), but the leaves look more mature. So far all of them appear to be healthy. The big test of course will be winter.

Here's a photo of what my Distans collection looked like originally vs 2 months later...

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(dypsis 'black stem' competing for attention behind it)

And here are my sumawongii & ramsayi pairing (currently in buried pots while waiting for their final home to be ready). Again, they're not yet winter tested but did great over summer (the brown tipped leaves were there when I bought it).

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Some amazing photos of CA licualas were submitted to the following thread, including a photo by @akumu that inspired me to buy 5 of the "distans". The people posting in that thread obviously have a lot more experience they can share on the CA licuala raising scene. I'm subscribing in case more licuala knowledge is shared. :interesting:

 

 

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Well, those look pretty fabulous. Hope your Licuala do well…….' May the force be with you’.

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Anyone else have any pictures, experiences, etc?

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Here are Licuala spinosa and pelata var. sumawongii at Jim in Los Altos's yard in Northern California! They've been there for a few years 

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L. ramsayi at Pauleen Sullivan's in Ventura 

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L. sumawongii in Vista, CA

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Here are mine.  

The first picture is a Licuala peltata var. 'sumawongii.  

I bought this plant a long time ago from Dan at JDA back in the day.

Grows really slow.... Leaves always split soon after opening.

The second Picture is of a Licuala I bought as a small 1gl with no label probably 'sumawongii'. 

This plant has been really fast and leaves stay intact.

Third picture is of A ramsayi planted in May from a 15 gl.

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My Licuala Grandis here in Portugal under my porch. Hoping to try and keep the humidity up as the leaves brown-tip very easily.

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So, went ahead and ordered some L. distans and peltata, and they arrived, in nice little pots just like @idesign123 got, potted them up, and watering and fussing over them.

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On 10/1/2021 at 7:30 AM, DoomsDave said:

So, went ahead and ordered some L. distans and peltata, and they arrived, in nice little pots just like @idesign123 got, potted them up, and watering and fussing over them.

Curious how your Licuala distans did for you Dave, since yours were bought the same year as mine (2021).

Here are my stats…
- 1 Died
- 1 Small (see photo)
- 2 Medium
- 1 Large (see photo)

Largest has 10” fronds. All were in a protected area (different than the photo). It’s possible the large one got more sun than the others. 
 

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@akamu - Any updates on your glorious Licuala distans? Yours was so inspiring I bought 5 (and am glad I did, since growth rates varied a lot).

 

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34 minutes ago, iDesign said:

Curious how your Licuala distans did for you Dave, since yours were bought the same year as mine (2021).

Here are my stats…
- 1 Died
- 1 Small (see photo)
- 2 Medium
- 1 Large (see photo)

Largest has 10” fronds. All were in a protected area (different than the photo). It’s possible the large one got more sun than the others. 
 

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I sold all of mine!

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Ramsayi have been steady and solid for me. 

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12 hours ago, Matt in OC said:

Ramsayi have been steady and solid for me. 

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Matt you make me wish I bought one years ago.  I passed on a large specimen at Rancho Soledad about 14 years ago and let myself get outbid on more than one at Palm Society auctions over the years.  As well as these perform in the right Southern California climates, I would think they would be more readily available. 

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Got them as 5 gal from Joe, planted out 10 years ago! 

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17 hours ago, Matt in OC said:

Ramsayi have been steady and solid for me. 

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Fun to see what mine might look like at some point!

For comparison, here's my Ramsayi when I bought it in 2021...

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And here it is three years later (on left... with my largest Distans on right for comparison)...

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Fronds on the Ramsayi are longer now, but I mostly notice how much "fuller" it is. 

Sadly the Sumawongii in the 2021 photo died, but my husband bought me a BIGGER one for my birthday in 2022 (I always ask for an expensive plant for my birthday). This one seems to be thriving in its temporary location, and recently pushed out a HUGE leaf. Photo taken just now...

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My long-term goal is to display the Ramsayi and Sumawongii as a "pair" (like Len did in his yard). The Distans will be featured elsewhere.

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On 10/6/2024 at 6:01 PM, iDesign said:

@akamu - Any updates on your glorious Licuala distans? Yours was so inspiring I bought 5 (and am glad I did, since growth rates varied a lot).

 

It was nice to meet you at the PSSC meeting at the ouer garden in Encinitas. Palm is still growing well.  Gotten bigger over the last couple of years here . Here's A couple updated picks from today. And by the way that sumawongii looks great

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Quick update on my Licuala distans collection...

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They continue to grow at different rates, and sun level appears to be a key factor in their growth rate.

As a test, I had moved the largest one (that had previously gotten the most sun) to an even sunnier position, and it did fine through the summer, but is now a lighter color than the others, and was starting to show a bit of leaf burn. The distans I sun-tested is the center one in the photo.

Just now, I moved the full group to an ideal "part sun" position, where I assume they'll do well. I also moved them here since they are getting cute enough I don't mind showing them off a bit. 💕

Based on my testing, the sumawongii & ramsayi are still the most robust... but I'm liking the distans as well. Only bummer is how slow-growing they are. I'd have to recheck, but I believe mine are around 4 years old now (from a Floribunda 4" size).

* Note: This area is still under construction, and the potted lutescens are there temporarily for shade. The stump is there just to display some of my bromeliad collection (since I already filled up my original "stump").

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Perhaps try planting one in the ground as part of your test?

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4 hours ago, Palm Tree Jim said:

Perhaps try planting one in the ground as part of your test?

I know, I know! Was hoping to have everything in the ground by Spring '24... but multiple unforseen circumstances keep preventing the full yard redesign I've been planning. Hopefully people still enjoy seeing my palm collection... even if most are sadly still in pots. :crying: 

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@iDesign super nice! I think the Licuala really want just filtered sun in SoCal. I’ve seen @DoomsDave Licuala and it is massive . It just gets filtered sun and protection from the house. I plan to add one to my collection at some point now that I know they can grow here. Harry

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19 minutes ago, Harry’s Palms said:

@iDesign super nice! I think the Licuala really want just filtered sun in SoCal. I’ve seen @DoomsDave Licuala and it is massive . It just gets filtered sun and protection from the house. I plan to add one to my collection at some point now that I know they can grow here. Harry

My big plant gets full sun, but also lots of water. The other, smaller one is next to an Archontophoenix (too close) but it's still hanging in there.

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Good to know Dave! Harry

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