Adonidia Merrillii Multi Stem

[Peachs]

I finally bought one, it is 160cm tall.  Survive to?  What do you think?

Environment with 40% humidity, indoors with temperatures above 21 ° C, good luminosity, never direct sun.  Pot with self-watering system, and I spray the leaves daily, when I remember.

 

Quality substrate with perlite, worm humus, coconut fiber.

[Peachs]

Any opinion?

[DCA_Palm_Fan]

19 minutes ago, Peachs said:

Any opinion?

Two things.    These are solitary palms, and always do best as such.  "multitrunked" specimens are always just individual trees planted close together / in the same pot.  Each plant is competing for water/ nutrients / light.    Even when planted outdoors in triples, having one die is not uncommon.  

as for your indoor conditions, I think humidity needs to be at minimum 50%.  Temps look fine, but these are tropical palms that love full sun.   I personally don't see these  doing well long term in any indoor situation, especially without direct sun.   There are my other palm species that are far better suited to indoor living conditions.    I wish you the best of luck with it!  

[Peachs]

7 minutes ago, DCA_Palm_Fan said:

Two things.    These are solitary palms, and always do best as such.  "multitrunked" specimens are always just individual trees planted close together / in the same pot.  Each plant is competing for water/ nutrients / light.    Even when planted outdoors in triples, having one die is not uncommon.  

as for your indoor conditions, I think humidity needs to be at minimum 50%.  Temps look fine, but these are tropical palms that love full sun.   I personally don't see these  doing well long term in any indoor situation, especially without direct sun.   There are my other palm species that are far better suited to indoor living conditions.    I wish you the best of luck with it!  

I knew all that data, but I took a risk.  I hope the healthy palm tree lives for many years!  In many shopping centers, they grow in perfect total shade and that made me perk up.

[DCA_Palm_Fan]

8 minutes ago, Peachs said:

I knew all that data, but I took a risk.  I hope the healthy palm tree lives for many years!  In many shopping centers, they grow in perfect total shade and that made me perk up.

If you already knew all of this information then why bother asking?     

I was going to mention those in shopping malls, but to me those are irrelevant to your question / this particular discussion.  Here is why:    Many of the ones that I have seen in malls have very bright lights above them, and also some kind of glass roofs or large windows.    I've never measured but I would guess that the light levels and the humidity are both a good bit higher than an average home. 

Also, the ones you see in shopping malls are usually much larger,  mature palms that have likely been grown outdoors to get them to a good size.   At that mature size, they already have height and likely can better handle a big change in growing conditions.  They probably slow down growth and adjust better to these changes and we noticed it less.  Young palms need optional growing conditions to obtain size, vigor, and ability to handle more adversity over their lives.    Another common practice is that they are replaced from time to time as these are commercial plantings and usually as part of the contracts they company providing the plants and service is obligated to replace plants that either don't look great or are dying.     All of these things are drastically different than us growing young palms in our homes, and is more of an apples to oranges comparison for me.  

None of this is to say anything can't be done. Of course it can.  There is a forum member here who has grown a coconut palm indoors for nearly 20 years and has been successful at it.   I applaud their efforts, and yours.  My answers are not to discourage anyone from giving anything a try, but rather to arm them with the best information that I can  from my own experiences and decades of accumulated knowledge.  

[Peachs]

9 minutes ago, DCA_Palm_Fan said:

If you already knew all of this information then why bother asking?     

I was going to mention those in shopping malls, but to me those are irrelevant to your question / this particular discussion.  Here is why:    Many of the ones that I have seen in malls have very bright lights above them, and also some kind of glass roofs or large windows.    I've never measured but I would guess that the light levels and the humidity are both a good bit higher than an average home. 

Also, the ones you see in shopping malls are usually much larger,  mature palms that have likely been grown outdoors to get them to a good size.   At that mature size, they already have height and likely can better handle a big change in growing conditions.  They probably slow down growth and adjust better to these changes and we noticed it less.  Young palms need optional growing conditions to obtain size, vigor, and ability to handle more adversity over their lives.    Another common practice is that they are replaced from time to time as these are commercial plantings and usually as part of the contracts they company providing the plants and service is obligated to replace plants that either don't look great or are dying.     All of these things are drastically different than us growing young palms in our homes, and is more of an apples to oranges comparison for me.  

None of this is to say anything can't be done. Of course it can.  There is a forum member here who has grown a coconut palm indoors for nearly 20 years and has been successful at it.   I applaud their efforts, and yours.  My answers are not to discourage anyone from giving anything a try, but rather to arm them with the best information that I can  from my own experiences and decades of accumulated knowledge.  

Thank you very much for your contribution, it is of great help to me.  Of course, it is almost an experiment.  To improve the situation, what do you recommend?  He had thought about watering frequently, liquid fertilizer, and spraying the leaves.  That is, water, nutrients and moisture.

[Kailua_Krish]

I had a triple of these indoors at one time. For me they were fairly easy grows and not a big problem with moderate indoor lighting and constant AC (it was in FL).

[DCA_Palm_Fan]

7 minutes ago, Peachs said:

Thank you very much for your contribution, it is of great help to me.  Of course, it is almost an experiment.  To improve the situation, what do you recommend?  He had thought about watering frequently, liquid fertilizer, and spraying the leaves.  That is, water, nutrients and moisture.

Give it as much light and humidity as you can.    I'm not sure exactly where in the world you are, but if you have warm summers  no lower than upper 60's at night and mid 70's day, Id put it outside for the season.    Of course when you do this be careful to acclimated it to  direct sun over a period of time to mitigate sunburn.   If you have a  nice tree  you can place it under where it gets dappled sunlight that would work great!   If it were left to me, knowing myself, id probably seperate them to where it as no more than 2 per pot, but that is just me.  It is not really necessary I suppose.     Please do keep us posted as it grows.   We love to see photo updates here over time.   

[Peachs]

26 minutes ago, DCA_Palm_Fan said:

Give it as much light and humidity as you can.    I'm not sure exactly where in the world you are, but if you have warm summers  no lower than upper 60's at night and mid 70's day, Id put it outside for the season.    Of course when you do this be careful to acclimated it to  direct sun over a period of time to mitigate sunburn.   If you have a  nice tree  you can place it under where it gets dappled sunlight that would work great!   If it were left to me, knowing myself, id probably seperate them to where it as no more than 2 per pot, but that is just me.  It is not really necessary I suppose.     Please do keep us posted as it grows.   We love to see photo updates here over time.   

Thanks.  Regarding the height, I suppose that it will grow very very slowly ... I hope I do not have problems with the height of the house!

[Peachs]

34 minutes ago, Kailua_Krish said:

I had a triple of these indoors at one time. For me they were fairly easy grows and not a big problem with moderate indoor lighting and constant AC (it was in FL).

I guess growing with multi stem will be much slower.

[NOT A TA]

37 minutes ago, Peachs said:

guess growing with multi stem will be much slower.

Not necessarily as they're competing, stretching for the light. Don't put them in direct sunlight outdoor in the spring or they'll burn. While it might seem that being indoor in a sunny window would be nearly the same as direct sunlight, it isn't, because the glass changes the UV rays absorbing almost all UVB and 25% of UVA.

[Peachs]

3 minutes ago, NOT A TA said:

Not necessarily as they're competing, stretching for the light. Don't put them in direct sunlight outdoor in the spring or they'll burn. While it might seem that being indoor in a sunny window would be nearly the same as direct sunlight, it isn't, because the glass changes the UV rays absorbing almost all UVB and 25% of UVA.

Thanks.  I suppose some will die and the strongest will remain.  Indoors, with these conditions, how high can they be?

[PalmatierMeg]

High heat: 25-30+C; High humidity: 70%+; High light: west or south facing window

[Peachs]

3 hours ago, PalmatierMeg said:

High heat: 25-30+C; High humidity: 70%+; High light: west or south facing window

That humidity is impossible to get indoors, except for a 24/7 humidifier.

I hope it lasts for a few years, or that one of the palm trees will adapt.

[Peachs]

On 9/5/2021 at 5:20 PM, DCA_Palm_Fan said:

Give it as much light and humidity as you can.    I'm not sure exactly where in the world you are, but if you have warm summers  no lower than upper 60's at night and mid 70's day, Id put it outside for the season.    Of course when you do this be careful to acclimated it to  direct sun over a period of time to mitigate sunburn.   If you have a  nice tree  you can place it under where it gets dappled sunlight that would work great!   If it were left to me, knowing myself, id probably seperate them to where it as no more than 2 per pot, but that is just me.  It is not really necessary I suppose.     Please do keep us posted as it grows.   We love to see photo updates here over time.   

 

At least 10 palm trees in the pot!  I will try to separate a small one and good luck to the others.

[DCA_Palm_Fan]

1 hour ago, Peachs said:

 

At least 10 palm trees in the pot!  I will try to separate a small one and good luck to the others.

They look great!   They look good like that when young, but  I doubt many will survive with that many crammed in such a small space.  Most I ever see in one container around here is 3.