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Butia odorata x Syagrus schizophylla F1

Jonathan Haycock

By Jonathan Haycock
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Late last year I attempted this cross and got a grand total of 3 viable seeds for my effort. Fortunately though one of them has germinated.

Could those of you that have this hybrid post a picture of it? There must be some sizable ones by now, although I've heard they can be pretty slow to get going.

Butia odorata "mother:

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Syagrus schizophylla "father". Not a great example as it has been quite neglected.

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Resulting viable seed.

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First to pop.

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Cool deal.  3 seeds yikes!  Mine is a Butia odorata x Syagrus romanzoffiana

YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@tntropics - 60+ In-ground 7A palms - (Sabal) minor(8 large + 27 seedling size, 3 dwarf),  brazoria(1) , birmingham(3), louisiana(4), palmetto (1),  (Trachycarpus) fortunei(7+), wagnerianus(2+),  Rhapidophyllum hystrix(7),  Blue Butia odorata (1), Serenoa repens (1) +Tons of tropical plants.  Recent Yearly Lows 4F, -6F, -1F, 12F, 11F, 18F, 16F, 3F, 3F, 6F, 3F, 1F, 16F, 17F, 6F, 8F

 

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Update on my Butia odorata x Syagrus schizophylla F1. 
 

Date: 17th August 2022.

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29th June 2023.

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8th August 2023.

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Today. 

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12 hours ago, Jonathan Haycock said:

Today. 

Looking great - nice growing!  Not bad for a little over 2 years.  :) 

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On 11/3/2023 at 3:00 AM, Jonathan Haycock said:

Today. 

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WOW that's amazing! 

How does one figure out which palms are "cross-breedable"...? Because I would love to research it. 

Anyways I'm very curious how it looks today?

 

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I have a feeling that thing is going to be incredibly tropical just from how it looks already!

How’s your cold Hardy coconut coming Jonathan?

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1 hour ago, CoconutGambler352 said:

WOW that's amazing! 

How does one figure out which palms are "cross-breedable"...? Because I would love to research it. 

Anyways I'm very curious how it looks today?

 

There is an easy reference flowchart I am in my phone sorry or I would post it, it is on my tablet.

 

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On 10/24/2024 at 2:04 AM, Dwarf Fan said:

There is an easy reference flowchart I am in my phone sorry or I would post it, it is on my tablet.

 

Yes, I did see that and I saved the image. I'm just not really sure if I understand how to read it. 

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On 10/26/2024 at 11:46 AM, CoconutGambler352 said:

Yes, I did see that and I saved the image. I'm just not really sure if I understand how to read it. 

Wait, where? I have been pricing together the relative 'closeness' of different genera on my own, I would love to see this resource. Can you share?

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20 hours ago, tarnado said:

Wait, where? I have been pricing together the relative 'closeness' of different genera on my own, I would love to see this resource. Can you share?

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@CoconutGambler352@tarnado@Dwarf Fan   I believe the chart can be read both forward and backwards, for example.  Going backwards if starting with Cocos it first branched off from common ancestor with Parajubaea which branched off of the common ancestors of (Lytocarum/Sygrus-Allgoptera, Attalea).  These six different palms came from the same distant ancestor of the Jubaea/Butea, which says that all 8 of these palms have a common ancestor from the distant ancestor of Voanioala.  And so on around the wheel to the beginning which is in the center of the wheel in the distant past from a palm whose name is not listed.

Going forward starting in the unnamed palm in the center spiraling and branching out to all the palms listed.   Of course such taxonomic charts are subject to change, revision, discussion, argument and so on between the many people who try show evolutionary relationships.  New fossil discoveries or re-interpretations often change the chart, sometimes minor sometimes nearly altogether.

The chart is usually done in a ladder, but the wheel condenses it.

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On 10/24/2024 at 5:12 AM, CoconutGambler352 said:

WOW that's amazing! 

How does one figure out which palms are "cross-breedable"...? Because I would love to research it. 

Anyways I'm very curious how it looks today?

 

I see Dan already posted the genus chart I use. I’m currently in the UK, but on my way back to Australia today. Shall post an update picture of the Butia odorata x Syagrus schizophylla F1 next week. I recently repotted her and she’s considerably larger now. 

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On 10/24/2024 at 7:02 AM, Dwarf Fan said:

I have a feeling that thing is going to be incredibly tropical just from how it looks already!

How’s your cold Hardy coconut coming Jonathan?

Hey Dan,

I’m really pleased with the Butia x Syagrus schizophylla. It’s a lovely looking plant, and tough too. 

Unfortunately, the Butia x Cocos nucifera died. Definitely something I will try again in future once my own Butia mature. 

For those of you that frequent Facebook, I’ve set up a group called “Pommy palms”, where many of the palms I’ve seen since emigrating to Australia have been documented. If you wish to be a member, copy and paste “Pommy palms” into Facebook to view the page and click “Join group”.

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Here it is today. 

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On 10/31/2024 at 7:06 PM, Dwarf Fan said:

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Okay, yeah! Indeed. I've been using this chart among some other resources. 

Problem is, of course, that this is uncharted territory. For example, who is trying other hybrids out? We have Syagrus x Butia, which are somewhat far apart, genetically (and the resulting offspring have sterility... but maybe not back-crosses?). Jubaea x Butia, etc. Parajubaea, etc etc.  I would say this chart is helpful, but only time and experimentation will tell [mad scientist laughter]

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