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What happened to my queen palm frond? Disease? Infection?

floridaPalmMan
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So I just walked outside and saw the largest frond on a queen planted in my yard laying horizontal.

It hadn't broken off completely, but it collapsed right where the frond meets the trunk.

It is far more brown than the rest of the frond and trunk.

Is this some kind of disease or rot? Cold damage? It did get down to 25'F here in December

 

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6 hours ago, floridaPalmMan said:

So I just walked outside and saw the largest frond on a queen planted in my yard laying horizontal.

It hadn't broken off completely, but it collapsed right where the frond meets the trunk.

It is far more brown than the rest of the frond and trunk.

Is this some kind of disease or rot? Cold damage? It did get down to 25'F here in December

 

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How about a picture of the whole plant?

Where in Florida are you?

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This happened to one of my queens last summer, kept growing like normal and had completely replaced the broken off fronds by winter :greenthumb:

Palms - 1 Bismarckia nobilis, 2 Butia odorata, 1 BxJ, 4 BxS, 1 Chamaerops humilis, 1 Chamaedorea cataractarum, 1 Chamaedorea elegans, 1 Chamaedorea microspadix, 1 Chamaedorea radicalis, 1 Hyophorbe verschaffeltii, 1 Livistona chinensis, 1 Livistona nitida, 1 Phoenix canariensis, 2 Phoenix roebelenii, 1 Phoenix sylvestris, 1 Ravenea rivularis, 1 Rhapis excelsa, 1 Sabal bermudana, 4 Sabal palmetto, 1 Sabal minor, 2 Syagrus romanzoffiana, 3 Trachycarpus fortunei, 4 Washingtonia robusta
Total: 37

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    It could be as simple as mechanical damage causing a weak spot. We have had some windy days in the recent past which have caused similar problems. This is the second time in a month this pseudophoenix has lost a green frond due to wind.

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    12 hours ago, DoomsDave said:

    How about a picture of the whole plant?

    Where in Florida are you?

    20 minutes SW of lake city

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    New fronds are really wispy and discolored. 

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    One suggestion: clear away all the brush and weeds in a 3' circle around the palm and lay mulch. All that weedy green stuff is sucking up all nutrients it needs. Then feed it with a good time release fertilizer with all major and minor elements, i.e., nutricote or the like.

    Meg

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    On 3/27/2021 at 11:03 AM, PalmatierMeg said:

    One suggestion: clear away all the brush and weeds in a 3' circle around the palm and lay mulch. All that weedy green stuff is sucking up all nutrients it needs. Then feed it with a good time release fertilizer with all major and minor elements, i.e., nutricote or the like.

    Thanks, will do.

    Quick question... Can spear pull happen from nutrient defuciency?

    Today I gently tugged on those discolored and thin newest fronds and they just pulled right out.

    Im really worried about it now

    14 hours ago, floridaPalmMan said:

    Thanks, will do.

    Quick question... Can spear pull happen from nutrient defuciency?

    Today I gently tugged on those discolored and thin newest fronds and they just pulled right out.

    Im really worried about it now

    My guess is that your palm, possibly being nutrient deficient, caused your palm to be more suseptible to fungal diseases, H2O2 in the hole ASAP.

    Palms - 1 Bismarckia nobilis, 2 Butia odorata, 1 BxJ, 4 BxS, 1 Chamaerops humilis, 1 Chamaedorea cataractarum, 1 Chamaedorea elegans, 1 Chamaedorea microspadix, 1 Chamaedorea radicalis, 1 Hyophorbe verschaffeltii, 1 Livistona chinensis, 1 Livistona nitida, 1 Phoenix canariensis, 2 Phoenix roebelenii, 1 Phoenix sylvestris, 1 Ravenea rivularis, 1 Rhapis excelsa, 1 Sabal bermudana, 4 Sabal palmetto, 1 Sabal minor, 2 Syagrus romanzoffiana, 3 Trachycarpus fortunei, 4 Washingtonia robusta
    Total: 37
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    On 3/29/2021 at 1:34 PM, JLM said:

    My guess is that your palm, possibly being nutrient deficient, caused your palm to be more suseptible to fungal diseases, H2O2 in the hole ASAP.

    Well I h202'ed the hole and a couple weeks later some brown tipped new growth started to appear.

    A few days after its appearance and here is the new growth

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    I still dont know if this was cold damage or some kind of disease but it looks like this little queen is fighting through.

     

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    3 hours ago, floridaPalmMan said:

    Well I h202'ed the hole and a couple weeks later some brown tipped new growth started to appear.

    A few days after its appearance and here is the new growth

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    I still dont know if this was cold damage or some kind of disease but it looks like this little queen is fighting through.

     

    Thats awesome news! Probably some sort of fungal infection or something, but either way your Queen lives on!

    Palms - 1 Bismarckia nobilis, 2 Butia odorata, 1 BxJ, 4 BxS, 1 Chamaerops humilis, 1 Chamaedorea cataractarum, 1 Chamaedorea elegans, 1 Chamaedorea microspadix, 1 Chamaedorea radicalis, 1 Hyophorbe verschaffeltii, 1 Livistona chinensis, 1 Livistona nitida, 1 Phoenix canariensis, 2 Phoenix roebelenii, 1 Phoenix sylvestris, 1 Ravenea rivularis, 1 Rhapis excelsa, 1 Sabal bermudana, 4 Sabal palmetto, 1 Sabal minor, 2 Syagrus romanzoffiana, 3 Trachycarpus fortunei, 4 Washingtonia robusta
    Total: 37

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    1 minute ago, JLM said:

    Thats awesome news! Probably some sort of fungal infection or something, but either way your Queen lives on!

    Yep :)

    Only issue is that I was planning on moving these to another spot in the back yard near the pool so they had a body of water and permeant structure to block the wind and maybe keep them warmer in the winter time.

    Brahea armata's will go in their current yard spot, but I'm afraid to move them now as they are recovering.

    When will be a good time to move them? Or do you think this growing season a no go?

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    8 minutes ago, floridaPalmMan said:

    Yep :)

    Only issue is that I was planning on moving these to another spot in the back yard near the pool so they had a body of water and permeant structure to block the wind and maybe keep them warmer in the winter time.

    Brahea armata's will go in their current yard spot, but I'm afraid to move them now as they are recovering.

    When will be a good time to move them? Or do you think this growing season a no go?

    By the time this palm recovers fully the growing season will be in 100% full swing. You could probably do it now if you wanted, but be careful not to chop many roots as it is recovering.

    Palms - 1 Bismarckia nobilis, 2 Butia odorata, 1 BxJ, 4 BxS, 1 Chamaerops humilis, 1 Chamaedorea cataractarum, 1 Chamaedorea elegans, 1 Chamaedorea microspadix, 1 Chamaedorea radicalis, 1 Hyophorbe verschaffeltii, 1 Livistona chinensis, 1 Livistona nitida, 1 Phoenix canariensis, 2 Phoenix roebelenii, 1 Phoenix sylvestris, 1 Ravenea rivularis, 1 Rhapis excelsa, 1 Sabal bermudana, 4 Sabal palmetto, 1 Sabal minor, 2 Syagrus romanzoffiana, 3 Trachycarpus fortunei, 4 Washingtonia robusta
    Total: 37

    I agree with JLM, you can move it.  It'll be fine as long as you get decent roots and make sure it doesn't get dry.  Queens are resilient.  Good luck!

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