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Fan Palm...what type?

CATinNoCal

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Hello, I’m brand new to the IPS. We have a fan palm that has been engulfed in overhanging trees and bushes until about a year ago. Once we cleared the overgrowth we realized we have a beautiful palm tree that has exploded with growth in the last 12 months, now that it has sunlight and room to grow! It is nearly 18’ wide at the fullest part of the crown. I’ve been researching the Washingtonia robusta and filigera, but neither seem to quite match our tree. Can anyone help to identify it? The leaves are absent of the threads described on the Filifera, but it is also missing the thorns described in the Robusta. 

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I feel like its a Livistona of some sort, not sure which type though.

Palms - 1 Adonidia merillii, 1 Bismarckia nobilis, 2 Butia odorata, 1 BxJ, 1 BxJxBxS, 1 BxS, 1 Chamaerops humilis, 1 Chambeyronia macrocarpa, 1 Hyophorbe lagenicaulis, 1 Hyophorbe verschaffeltii, 1 Livistona chinensis, 1 Livistona nitida, 1 Phoenix canariensis, 3 Phoenix roebelenii, 2 Ravenea rivularis, 1 Rhapis excelsa, 1 Sabal bermudana, 3 Sabal palmetto, 4 Syagrus romanzoffiana, 8 Trachycarpus fortunei, 4 Washingtonia robusta, 1 Wodyetia bifurcata
Total: 41

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  On 3/26/2021 at 5:16 PM, CATinNoCal said:

Hello, I’m brand new to the IPS. We have a fan palm that has been engulfed in overhanging trees and bushes until about a year ago. Once we cleared the overgrowth we realized we have a beautiful palm tree that has exploded with growth in the last 12 months, now that it has sunlight and room to grow! It is nearly 18’ wide at the fullest part of the crown. I’ve been researching the Washingtonia robusta and filigera, but neither seem to quite match our tree. Can anyone help to identify it? The leaves are absent of the threads described on the Filifera, but it is also missing the thorns described in the Robusta. 

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CatinNoCal, Welcome to the Forum,

Your palm in question looks like Brahea edulis

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Stevetoad Grand Master

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looks like Livistona chinensis to me

 

"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

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  On 3/26/2021 at 5:38 PM, Silas_Sancona said:

CatinNoCal, Welcome to the Forum,

Your palm in question looks like Brahea edulis

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I second this.

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It kinda does look like a Livistona chinensis but the trunk gives it away as Brahea edulis.

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The fronds dont have the barbs that livistona has.

Keys6505 Experienced

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  On 3/27/2021 at 1:01 AM, Brucer said:

The fronds dont have the barbs that livistona has.

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Only the juveniles have the spikes on the petioles

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Would a somewhat sun-starved Brahea edulis have long petioles like this?

Andrei W. Konradi, Burlingame, California.  Vicarious appreciator of palms in other people's gardens and in habitat

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Brahea Edulis.

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Nothing to say here. 

Silas_Sancona Grand Master

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  On 3/27/2021 at 1:23 AM, awkonradi said:

Would a somewhat sun-starved Brahea edulis have long petioles like this?

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I'd say it's possible.. If you look at some of the examples on Palmpedia, some pictures show specimens w/ longer petioles/leafstalks. Think the specimens a neighbor across from my grandparents had, had slightly longer leafstalks as well.. Were shaded by several large Redwoods / Cedar of Lebanon / their home nearby most of the day before they took them down ( no idea why ).. 

For me, it's the Diamond / Triangle -ish profile of the fronds, and the trunk ( has the same random, leftover leaf scars ( like Livistona can ) on it ) and the fronds don't have as many of the droopy leaflets hanging from them as i remember were present on L. chinensis i'd see, or sold/planted while in FL. That said,..

Seed, when it forms, would settle it though..  More oval/ olive -shaped/ turns bluish when ripe, L. chinensis.. Round and black, Brahea..  edulis in this case.

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Thank you all so much for your input! You are a wealth of knowledge and have given me new specifics to look for. I have posted a picture of the flowers that are currently on the tree and will keep an eye out for fruit to develop. This tree was only about 4’ tall and had about 5 leaves on it when we moved here 33 years ago. Also there is a much younger tree that we transplanted that I will examine tomorrow to see if the new petioles have spikes. I’ll keep you posted. 

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My vote initially went to it being Livistona chinensis. But looking closely at the inflorescence indicates that it’s a Brahea edulis.

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Yah, what Experimental Grower said !  :greenthumb:

San Francisco, California

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You are lucky to have this palm at this size - they are slow growing and much more attractive than the typical Washingtonia around here (IMO).

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That is a beautiful palm. Always take care of it.

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Brahea edulis for sure.

Get a Brahea clara too, they do very well here in Sonoma County, as do other species of the genus. I'd stay away from Brahea armata though, they seem to struggle here.

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Brahea edulis for sure.

Get a Brahea clara too, they do very well here in Sonoma County, as do other species of the genus. I'd stay away from Brahea armata though, they seem to struggle here.

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Thank you for your response. The Brahaea Armata is very pretty, but I purchased a Chamaerops Humilis and a Jubaea Chilensis to keep the large fan palm company! We planted the Chilean Wine palm this afternoon!!! I looked up the Brahaea clara, and it is beautiful, but I'm running out of room!

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  On 3/27/2021 at 1:22 AM, Keys6505 said:

Only the juveniles have the spikes on the petioles

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Livistona Chinensis has big spikes on the petioles, but they do disappear from the middle and far end of the petiole as they get older.  The ones near the base are bigger and sharper...  :D  Here's one of my L. Chinensis with about 3' of clear trunk.  It has big thorns for the first 6" or so, then they get smaller and disappear after about 1-1.5' of petiole:

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Livistona Chinensis has big spikes on the petioles, but they do disappear from the middle and far end of the petiole as they get older.  The ones near the base are bigger and sharper...  :D  Here's one of my L. Chinensis with about 3' of clear trunk.  It has big thorns for the first 6" or so, then they get smaller and disappear after about 1-1.5' of petiole:

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You sir, are correct!  I never even realized.  I have one with about 5' of trunk and the petioles are mostly smooth, but you're absolutely correct, the spikes are still there closer to the trunk.  My mistake!

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Here’s a photo of of the young volunteer that was growing underneath our larger palm. The photo quality is not great, but there are no thorns present on this plant. 

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