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South Florida Nursery?

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Palm people:

I’m in Fort Lauderdale and wondering if you guys have any recommendations for semi-uncommonish palm shopping.  I went to the Searle Brothers’ spring sale last week which was great  I’ve been to Jesse Durko’s once last year and was planning on stopping by again now that I have some better ideas.  

Are there any specific places in the Broward, Miami-Dade, Palm Beach areas that you guys would say I should visit.  ....I need some leads!  

Most of the stuff I have, I found at local nurseries, but they are the kind of places that have lots of 200 of each of the 10 most common palms that are growing great around here, in everyone’s yards.  It’s smart business I’m sure...

But where’s a good place to find stuff like satakentias, dypsis leptocheilos, coccothrinax, pseudophoenix, leukothrinax, areca catechu, dypsis pembana, ....stuff like that?   

Any places you like?  What’s your faves?  
 

 

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Go see Steve at Exotic Palms.  He’s got a great selection of exotic hard to find palms.  He’s in Homestead.  Mike at Caribbean Palm Nursery in Loxahatchee has a good selection of Caribbean palms.

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Never been there but a place called Blue Ginger Gardens in Hollywood says they have 7-gal Satakentias for $45. If you are interested in landscape size Satakentias try Ken Johnson in Homestead. Action Theory Nursery in Homestead also has great rarer palms.  Excelsa Gardens in Loxahatchee is another source, but a bit upmarket.  Redland Nursery in Homestead is another place. It doesn'r specialize in palms, but has a fair selection, some of it rarer stuff. 

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  On 3/15/2021 at 12:07 PM, PJP said:

Go see Steve at Exotic Palms.  He’s got a great selection of exotic hard to find palms.  He’s in Homestead.  Mike at Caribbean Palm Nursery in Loxahatchee has a good selection of Caribbean palms.

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Thanks!  I’ve heard of Caribbean Palm Nursery, but I’ve never been.   I’m not at all familiar with anything toward Homestead but not above a little drive to check out cool stuff.  I know there are several good places down that way.  
 

 

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Never been there but a place called Blue Ginger Gardens in Hollywood says they have 7-gal Satakentias for $45. If you are interested in landscape size Satakentias try Ken Johnson in Homestead. Action Theory Nursery in Homestead also has great rarer palms.  Excelsa Gardens in Loxahatchee is another source, but a bit upmarket.  Redland Nursery in Homestead is another place. It doesn'r specialize in palms, but has a fair selection, some of it rarer stuff. 

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I’m driving through Hollywood today, so maybe I’ll try to swing by Blue Ginger Gardens.  I’m going to gather some names, then take a day each to drive North and south to hit the Homestead and Palm Beach places.   Thanks a million!  
 

 

 Enjoy these pics of palms I drive by every day on my way to work....
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  On 3/15/2021 at 12:51 PM, Looking Glass said:

I’m going to gather some names, then take a day each to drive North and south to hit the Homestead and Palm Beach places.

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You're welcome to stop by for a visit when you go up to Palm Beach. I'm right off I-95 in Delray Beach. Have a backyard nursery but pretty much just the common palms. There's a local nursery very close by also that's worth a visit just to see the birds.

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All excellent suggestions. If you like smaller stuff I'd also look at Floribunda Palms & Exotics Really can only order in the warmer months as they are shipped but Jeff and his wife do an amazing job, everything comes perfect, many things are oversized in there containers. The selection is amazing.

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Tou are welcome to come up to P.B. and visit my place.I have many different palms and cycads in various sizes

Best to call before you come. 5221 3rd Road ,Lake Worth 33467  561 965 6792  {off of Lantana Rd. West of Jog}

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  On 3/15/2021 at 4:49 PM, NOT A TA said:

You're welcome to stop by for a visit when you go up to Palm Beach. I'm right off I-95 in Delray Beach. Have a backyard nursery but pretty much just the common palms. There's a local nursery very close by also that's worth a visit just to see the birds.

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  On 3/15/2021 at 7:53 PM, MAPU 1 said:

Tou are welcome to come up to P.B. and visit my place.I have many different palms and cycads in various sizes

Best to call before you come. 

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Thanks a million!   I've got to make it up there at some point.    

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  On 3/15/2021 at 12:20 PM, Kaname-kun said:

Never been there but a place called Blue Ginger Gardens in Hollywood says they have 7-gal Satakentias for $45. If you are interested in landscape size Satakentias try Ken Johnson in Homestead. Action Theory Nursery in Homestead also has great rarer palms.  Excelsa Gardens in Loxahatchee is another source, but a bit upmarket.  Redland Nursery in Homestead is another place. It doesn'r specialize in palms, but has a fair selection, some of it rarer stuff. 

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Well, I went over to Blue Ginger Gardens in Hollywood, FL today.  Thanks for the lead.  It’s a palm covered small property in a neighborhood.  Described to me by one of the owners as a hobby gone wild.  I liked it there.  He showed me all around and talked to me about all the mature trees in the ground there.  It was nice to see some Satakentias, mature, in person.  They did have a bunch in pots for sale.  Also other interesting stuff for sale.  The most common thing I saw was Thrinax radiata. 

I picked up two Satakentias, young, but the biggest was about 9 feet tall (not $45).  Also got 3 small Dypsis leptocheilos, and a Dypsis pembana, and they threw in a mystery Palm that I forgot the name of already.  

They are by appointment only, and the website is out of date, and the email just kicks-back, so just call and leave a message if you are in the area and want to check it out.  It was a really good visit for someone like me. 

Sorry the pics are so dark, by the time I dragged them home through rush hour, it was late...

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Leptocheilos....  A1FCA446-F7F2-4203-B010-47AE61736D9E.thumb.jpeg.829c334f8549cedc3e174a9d9bfff78a.jpeg


 

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Mystery bonus Palm?  Anyone care to guess?????
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How do these look?   Anyone going to inform me that they are actually all R. Rivularis?  
 

 

 

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The last palm looks like Dypsis ovobontsira. Great haul. All very well grown.

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Glad you checked Blue Ginger out and it was so productive for you! I have three 13-14 foot Satakentias being delivered Monday to take the place of three "dwarf" (25-feet tall) cocos being removed. You will really Enjoy Steve Stern's place if/when you drive down to Homestead, and Action Theory Nursery is nearby . . . .

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Satakentias that size are sun sensitive, best to put them in a spot where they emerge into the late day sunlight as they grow large.  They also like being wet in the root area.   Looks like a nice haul!  I'd take satakentias over cocos too, gorgeous palms!  The dypsis pembana is a rocket, great palm for florida and the teddy is a great palm here too.  Congrats on the haul!

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  On 3/18/2021 at 12:42 PM, Kaname-kun said:

Glad you checked Blue Ginger out and it was so productive for you! I have three 13-14 foot Satakentias being delivered Monday to take the place of three "dwarf" (25-feet tall) cocos being removed. You will really Enjoy Steve Stern's place if/when you drive down to Homestead, and Action Theory Nursery is nearby . . . .

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Congrats!  I bet they will look great.  

They had two large “adults” in the ground in one spot.   They reminded me to think ahead.  

In my view, palms really come in these sizes, especially around here:  Super giant, enormous, huge, big, small and tiny.  

The only saving grace is the growth rate sometimes. 
 

 

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Satakentias that size are sun sensitive, best to put them in a spot where they emerge into the late day sunlight as they grow large.  They also like being wet in the root area.   Looks like a nice haul!  I'd take satakentias over cocos too, gorgeous palms!  The dypsis pembana is a rocket, great palm for florida and the teddy is a great palm here too.  Congrats on the haul!

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What sucks is, the spots I have like that won’t support the size of these guys after a few years.  I’m going to test them out in the back in pots and see how much sun I can acclimate them to.
They were grown under the protection of big royals and old coconuts too, so they are softies right now.  I’m going to just keep moving them around until they prove they can take a heavy blast.  

I can give them a lot of water and food, no problem, but I hope they can take a lot of sun ASAP.  They are headed for an eventual spot with a lot of Florida sun, where it is frequently wet, but well draining. .  Cross those fingers for us....  

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What sucks is, the spots I have like that won’t support the size of these guys after a few years.  I’m going to test them out in the back in pots and see how much sun I can acclimate them to.
They were grown under the protection of big royals and old coconuts too, so they are softies right now.  I’m going to just keep moving them around until they prove they can take a heavy blast.  

I can give them a lot of water and food, no problem, but I hope they can take a lot of sun ASAP.  They are headed for an eventual spot with a lot of Florida sun, where it is frequently wet, but well draining. .  Cross those fingers for us....  

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Good luck with acclimating them to sun, they recover very slowly from sun damage and possibly not at all.  Water will not make up for too much sun with these.  If you want to prevent a setback, use shade netting for a few years.  You will hear people reporting they are hard to grow, and this is why.  You cannot sun harden all palms.  These are emergent palms, they have genetically adapted to shade when young and sun as they get older.

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  On 3/18/2021 at 5:22 PM, sonoranfans said:

Good luck with acclimating them to sun, they recover very slowly from sun damage and possibly not at all.  Water will not make up for too much sun with these.  If you want to prevent a setback, use shade netting for a few years.  You will hear people reporting they are hard to grow, and this is why.  You cannot sun harden all palms.  These are emergent palms, they have genetically adapted to shade when young and sun as they get older.

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I hear so much conflicting stuff on these guys.  I’ve had people show me their local ones around here that are 7 years in the ground and monsters.  It made me think twice that they were maybe too big and too fast for around my place.  They told me they were super easy, with no problems at all.  

I’ve heard from a bunch of people online that they don’t do well in full sun, and a few that they are growing them in full sun in Florida without a problem.   Some people online say they are slow.  Locals say they are fast.  

These guys are about 9 feet tall, well over the roofline of the house, so I can’t put a shade cloth over them for years. 

Unfortunately they are going to get tough, or die.  I’ll give them time in pots to see if they adjust.  If they prove that sun sensitive, and can’t adjust, perhaps I’ll just have to keep them in pots for a short, unfulfilling life.  I think I heard them saying they might prefer seppuku though.  

I will chronicle my misadventures and inevitable catastrophic failure here for all to see.  Wish me luck.....

 

 

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This is why I bought satakentias, and here is one(of several dozen) on ken Johnsons farm.   Ones I've seen grown in direct sun(on the crownshaft) do not have the intense purple color.  Ken has grown these for 20 years on his farm, I take his advice more seriously than less experienced growers on internet blogs.

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This is why I bought satakentias, and here is one(of several dozen) on ken Johnsons farm.   Ones I've seen grown in direct sun(on the crownshaft) do not have the intense purple color.  Ken has grown these for 20 years on his farm, I take his advice more seriously than less experienced growers on internet blogs.

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Maybe I should try to send a message to him, to see if the ones he has growing in more full sun are suffering compared to others.  Did you notice a big difference between the them at his place, other than crownshaft showiness.  I haven’t been down there...  yet.  

Either way, not too much shade to be had here at that size due to the southern facing orientation of the house.  So I’m not sure it matters too much now.   I can’t install a 15 foot tall shade house.  So it might turn out to be a case of wrong plant, wrong place.  Time will tell.  

I could just get a coconut and put it out front, or something generic and call it a day.   But was hoping for something a little more interesting and less lethal to pedestrians. 
 

Satakentias: “Pray for us”
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Kens farm is 2 acres of lots of trees in the ground(field grown) last I saw it.  Trunking satkentias up to 20' tall were ~ 6-8' apart at most, a place with palms everywhere.  They all looked beautiful but they were in like a grove where the crownshafts were in filtered shade.   I would worry most about the late day sun(west to northwest) its the most harsh.  The south is winter sun, not a problem.  I had 4 small ones, 3 were fried in minimal sun(~2 hrs a day), the 4th is in shade all day and its thriving.  Maybe yours are pst that sensitive age.  The sun bleaches pigments here, all my best colored crownshafts are in filtered sun or shade.

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I am fortunate to have purchased 8 large Satakentia from Ken last year.  I have planted them in amended soil and they get morning sun only.  They are all showing colorful crowns and are thriving.  I agree with Sonoranfans , Ken knows his satenkias as well as copernicias.  He’s a great resource as he has lots of knowledge like many members on this site have.

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I bought my first specimen palms from Ken in 2011(3 kentiopsis O., sabal mauritiiformis and copernicia fallaense.  I liked the satakentia then too but ken told me I didnt have enough shade yet for them to be happy (my yard was kind of bare).  Everything has grown in with achrontophoenix sp, kentiopsis O., S. mauritiifurmis and C. fallaense topping 20' overall and a couple 35-40' royals and three 20-25' livistona sp.  A couple years ago I had (2) satakentias with 2 and 3 + foot of trunk(13' 16' overall?) delivered.  After a slow start, they are now both thriving, pushing out new leaves working their way towards the upper canopy.  They get direct overhead sun for ~ 3hrs a day and no late day sun in summer due to the house and palms to the west.  Each new leaf brings more purple color in the crownshafts.  The need to remove a few leaves to transplant did leave the crownshafts with little purple color(dead leaf bases still on).  I anticipate future color dvelopment from here as well as they seem to be picking up steam in leaf production.

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Updates after about 6 weeks of adjustment: 

Satakentias oldest leaves burned a little in full sun, but overall handled it fairly .  I moved them over to the shadiest corner they’d fit in (6 hours full sun per day, then dappled light) one pushing a new spike fully opened a new leaf, the other is cracking open a new spike but much more slowly.  Spikes open into a new leaf and also a half grown new spike it seems....56BF128A-D261-44BC-9E46-F41A6E016FEB.thumb.jpeg.aa030ff80d92178002488d19e689b4e3.jpeg

 

The Teddy Bros/Leptocheilos seem happy in pretty heavy sun.  They are less yellow and more green and spikes are moving and cracking.  
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Mystery Palm turned out to be...,  Heterospathe elata.  I transitioned it to half day sun, and I don’t think it appreciated that much.  It got pale and refused to open its spike fully and started on a new spike instead...  so I moved it back to bright shade.  845F6C4D-6025-48B5-BD65-5112D4A89D8F.thumb.jpeg.edbd8f002ca23cc367ba2cc28fe4d926.jpeg

 

Everybody got a couple rounds of palmgain, and is watered probably a little too much.   The ones doing well in the sun are about ready to be planted out, and Satakentia will have to get out there too....   

 

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I had to laugh to see your Satakentia pots anchored by bags of potting materials. Our bane here in South FL--the @#$%& wind! I feel your pain.  --But all looking so good!

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you should also checkout Jesse Durko's Nursery...a respected source for plants here

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I had to laugh to see your Satakentia pots anchored by bags of potting materials. Our bane here in South FL--the @#$%& wind! I feel your pain.  --But all looking so good!

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They are 9 foot plants in a 1 foot pot....   not top heavy, but wispy up top.  They catch the slightest wind, so I’ve got to anchor them.  Ready for the ground, but I’m nervous about the sun now.   

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I’ve been a few times.  Lots of stuff hidden everywhere.   Difficult for me to navigate through through, but I’ve picked up a couple of plants there in the past.  Will head back at some point perhaps.  Want to make a couple of targeted attacks at the places I haven’t been to in Homestead, Miami, and Palm Beach next.  

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Looks like you caught the palm bug. Welcome to the wonderful world of palms

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I did finally head out to Carribean Palms Nursery today for a visit.  Mike was nice enough to show me around the property, and told me about all of his giant, older palms.   He has many 10-20+ year old palms, many grown from seed.  Big mature palms in the ground to look at, and a big selection of potted stuff for sale.  

I guess I should have taken some pics there, but I totally forgot.  Don’t forget to look up while you are there.   Some of his giants are up there in a forest of great palms.  I was so busy looking at pots tucked in the shade that didn’t notice I was standing under a bunch of giant satakentias.  

He has a great selection of Cuban and Carribean stuff, Florida natives, and assorted other goodies tucked away in various spots, and out in full sun.  

I did finally pick up my 3 Kentiopsis (chambeyronia now it seems) oliviformis for the corner of the yard…  7 gallons.  

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1 Chambeyronia hookerii……

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And some Coccothrinax (Miraguama miraguama, miraguama roseocarpa, and he threw in a little borhidiana hybrid)….

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and 1 Allogoptera arenia….

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Worth a visit for anyone, and definitely worth the hour drive for me.  
I’ve got some digging to do now.   

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